Adam Dunn: Hall of Famer? (Also: Big Papi?)

[Dick Whitman]

The innings pitched just shows that Hernandez has done it a little longer than Verlander. I'm not saying it is wrong to rank Verlander higher, but there is a legitimate argument to be made that Hernandez has had the better career so far.

True, true. I think the argument for Verlander depends on how much you want to count leverage / pressure situations. He's done pretty, pretty, pretty well in the postseason and in pennant races, but it's hard to "fault" Hernandez for his team not being good ever. Right now, I'd put it at a push for the two, and it's not like one will get in but the other one won't if they continue at their current paces.

No, oop is right. Hernandez is better. I'm surprised. I guess, subconsciously, those wins still get in your head.

 

[outofplace]

The innings pitched just shows that Hernandez has done it a little longer than Verlander. I'm not saying it is wrong to rank Verlander higher, but there is a legitimate argument to be made that Hernandez has had the better career so far.

True, true. I think the argument for Verlander depends on how much you want to count leverage / pressure situations. He's done pretty, pretty, pretty well in the postseason and in pennant races, but it's hard to "fault" Hernandez for his team not being good ever. Right now, I'd put it at a push for the two, and it's not like one will get in but the other one won't if they continue at their current paces.

No, oop is right. Hernandez is better. I'm surprised. I guess, subconsciously, those wins still get in your head.

They do, but it's not unreasonable to put Verlander first based on team success. It shouldn't be the only factor, but it has to be in there.

I think Hernandez is more likely to sustain his current pace, or something close to it. He has actually lost some velocity and is still pitching extremely well. He relies on movement as much as power and he has shown he can adjust through stretches when he doesn't have his best stuff.

Verlander still has to show what he can do if he get to the point that the big fastball isn't as fast any more.