You'll have to kill the OSU president if you want college football playoffs

Starman · Nov 26, 2010

heyabbott said:

imjustagirl2 said:

Do we have to stop with Gee? I'd be fine with wiping THE whole "university" off the face of the earth.
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But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg: isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
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You're not walking out on this one, mister!!

Twoback · Nov 26, 2010

Baron Scicluna said:

Mystery Meat II said:

Boomer7 said:

Baron Scicluna said:

Boomer7 said:

Coming from the Boston area, big-time college sports are like a foreign country to me, so forgive my naivete. But here's my question: What's to prevent the NCAA -- which rules with an iron fist and micromanages every detail of its athletes' and member institutions' lives -- from putting its foot down and saying the following:

"We're taking control of the Football Bowl Subdivision in 2013 (or whenever) and will institute a 16-team playoff system, as is the case in our other divisions. The NCAA will no longer recognize the 32 bowl games, and will not allow member institutions to play in them. Member institutions who don't wish to participate in the new system may do so, but remaining FBS teams will not be permitted to play against those schools who opt out of the new system."

Now, obviously the Big Ten will dig in its heels for a lengthy fight. But what percentage of the FBS universities would go along with the NCAA's mandate? If it's a significant majority, then the Big Ten and the other holdouts would be pretty isolated. Yeah, they'd still have their rivalries, the Rose Bowl (presumably) and their own cable network, but how many kids are you going to recruit if you're not competing for a national championship, regardless of how good you are?

I realize it's more complicated than that, but the NCAA is completely autocratic. Why can't it use that power when it comes to football?
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Because the BCS schools will then tell the NCAA to go **** themselves with their 1,700 page rulebook and form their own organization.

Then you'll have two organizations, and then you'll be seeing an epic meltdown of CART/IRL proportions.
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And what if the NCAA ups the ante and says, "Any school that competes against the breakaway schools in any sport is prohibited from participating in any NCAA championship, in any sport"? How many schools would turn their backs on March Madness?
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He's saying they'd break away from the NCAA completely, I think. Assuming this includes the non-football playing Big East schools, they'd probably be happy with a 32-team basketball tournament in which they keep more of the money. And it probably wouldn't make much impact for the non-rev sports, since most of them are dominated by the BCS schools anyway.
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You are correct. The six conferences would break away, along with any other stragglers that they allow, then there's two college sports organizations.

Then you get CBS barking about how they're paying megamillions to have Gonzaga, Siena, Butler and Alabama-Birmingham in the Final Four. Then the breakaway league tries to claim that they're champion is the real champion. And eventually, fans get tired of seeing two champions, one organization breaks up further, and you end up with boxing.
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The answer to the initial question is much simpler than anybody here is suggesting.
Why doesn't the NCAA put its foot down and declare it is taking over Division I-A?
Because the NCAA is Ohio State, the Big Ten, Alabama, the SEC, the Pac-10, etc. The membership IS the NCAA. They make the rules. There's not some all-powerful commish in Indianapolis making these calls. The membership of the NCAA, however foolishly, has decided they want this bowl crap as their postseason. And so that's what they keep in place. The NCAA is not "autocratic." That's a misdiagnosis of how the organization operates.

Stoney · Nov 26, 2010

TheSportsPredictor said:

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410
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Wetzel makes a good point about how, this year, the Big 10 is actually the conference screwed over most by no playoff. Looks like they'll finish with three 11-1 Top 10 teams. With a playoff, all three would be very much still in the national championship hunt. As it is, all three are out. Don't suppose that fact will sway the opinions of any B10 bigwigs, though.

cwilson3 · Nov 26, 2010

Stoney said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410
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Wetzel makes a good point about how, this year, the Big 10 is actually the conference screwed over most by no playoff. Looks like they'll finish with three 11-1 Top 10 teams. With a playoff, all three would be very much still in the national championship hunt. As it is, all three are out. Don't suppose that fact will sway the opinions of any B10 bigwigs, though.
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They don't care because they'll still have two teams in BCS bowls, which would be almost the same amount of cash whether one was in the NC game or not. Wetzel's book is really good. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in this subject.

Mystery Meat II · Nov 26, 2010

Stoney said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410
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Wetzel makes a good point about how, this year, the Big 10 is actually the conference screwed over most by no playoff. Looks like they'll finish with three 11-1 Top 10 teams. With a playoff, all three would be very much still in the national championship hunt. As it is, all three are out. Don't suppose that fact will sway the opinions of any B10 bigwigs, though.
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It makes Gee's case look a bit better because he's arguing against his school's immediate interests in favor of something larger, at least as he views it.

Too bad Boise State can't merge with Gonzaga for athletic purposes.

Flying Headbutt · Nov 26, 2010

I think Illinois, Northwestern, and Indiana are just happy to be considered a "murderers row."

Of course, maybe he was more influenced by his time at Vanderbilt, when every school looked great because the Commodores were always the cupcake other teams feasted on.

crimsonace · Nov 26, 2010

Flying Headbutt said:

I think Illinois, Northwestern, and Indiana are just happy to be considered a "murderers row."
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Actually, as an Indiana alum, I'd be happy if IU left the Big Ten and went to the Big Least. The competition -- in terms of talent and facilities -- is more on a par with IU's and there's a significantly better shot at a bowl bid each year (and maybe a BCS bowl), which is very difficult to pull off in the Big Ten. It's no fun being Ohio State and Wisconsin's cannon fodder every year.

playthrough · Nov 26, 2010

Wow, that's an interesting idea (I too am an Indiana alum, as crimsonace knows). As long as the Bucket game was protected, I can't say I'd miss any other Big Ten football game (since virtually none are winnable). And for hoops it would be a heckuva move. Would never happen, but it's a fun daydream.

MileHigh · Nov 26, 2010

cwilson3 said:

Stoney said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410
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Wetzel makes a good point about how, this year, the Big 10 is actually the conference screwed over most by no playoff. Looks like they'll finish with three 11-1 Top 10 teams. With a playoff, all three would be very much still in the national championship hunt. As it is, all three are out. Don't suppose that fact will sway the opinions of any B10 bigwigs, though.
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They don't care because they'll still have two teams in BCS bowls, which would be almost the same amount of cash whether one was in the NC game or not. Wetzel's book is really good. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in this subject.
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Yup. Two BCS bowls and the cartel cash that comes with it -- AND a float down Colorado Boulevard on Jan. 1. Why change what's worked so well for 90 years or so?

UPChip · Nov 27, 2010

Hank_Scorpio said:

UPChip said:

The comedy of this is that as someone who actually follows MAC football, I know that Eastern would be a 10-point home underdog against Little Sisters of the Poor.
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You know what the only sign of intelligent life in Mt. Pleasant is?

Ypsilanti 141 miles.
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71-3, anyone?

Petrie · Nov 27, 2010

Mystery Meat II said:

Stoney said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410
Click to expand...

Wetzel makes a good point about how, this year, the Big 10 is actually the conference screwed over most by no playoff. Looks like they'll finish with three 11-1 Top 10 teams. With a playoff, all three would be very much still in the national championship hunt. As it is, all three are out. Don't suppose that fact will sway the opinions of any B10 bigwigs, though.
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It makes Gee's case look a bit better because he's arguing against his school's immediate interests in favor of something larger, at least as he views it.

Too bad Boise State can't merge with Gonzaga for athletic purposes.
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*just threw up in his mouth* [/GUClassof06]

Hank_Scorpio · Nov 27, 2010

UPChip said:

Hank_Scorpio said:

UPChip said:

The comedy of this is that as someone who actually follows MAC football, I know that Eastern would be a 10-point home underdog against Little Sisters of the Poor.
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You know what the only sign of intelligent life in Mt. Pleasant is?

Ypsilanti 141 miles.
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71-3, anyone?
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More Chip failings. Trying to talk trash when they finish with the same 2-6 record.

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