Yahoo's Wetzel hits nail on head about NCAA transfer rules

Baron Scicluna · Jan 7, 2009

Oz said:

Flying Headbutt said:

Hold up, Durant's NIke contract was a direct result of his one year at Texas? Or he happened to put up ridiculous numbers and it's just coincidentally he went to Texas? Having come from a small little high school that's known in this area for only being a HS basketball powerhouse, he was pretty well regarded going into college to the point I don't think it really mattered WHERE he went. In my mind Texas simply benefited from his one year there.
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And Durant probably benefitted from his one year at Texas, too. Probably drove up the amount he would receive from Nike or whoever signed him, given his star status, national POY honors and the like. He still would have gotten paid very well had he gone straight to the NBA, but not as much.
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Durant should have been paid for his Nike contract while in college. If coaches can get paid for endorsements, why shouldn't the players as well?

If the NCAA wants to continue the amateurism sham, they should either make college sports all like the Ivy League or D-III or let the players earn whatever money they can get.

Blitz · Jan 7, 2009

Another cool piece by Wetzel.
Good reading.

Twoback · Jan 7, 2009

Flying Headbutt said:

Twoback said:

qtlaw said:

The problem is that the scholarship rules are tilted significantly towards the university. They get one year renewals, so they can cut the guy at any time, yet the transfer has to sit out one year, and now there are restrictions.

Also, let's not get so worked up about the "free education" payoff, which is significant, but look at what the schools/bowls/leagues get. Its hardly equitable.

This is the only reason I prefer pro sports v. college, college sports is great theatre but the environment is sickening.
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I'm not sure I get that: Look what the schools/bowls/leagues get.
The education and training the college athletes get is worth a significant amount of money. For a select few, the publicity they gain is worth even more. (Ask Kevin Durant about his $60 million Nike contract, the direct result of one year spent at Texas). It's not as bad a deal for the athletes as you make it seem. It's certainly no worse a deal than the kids whose parents are paying $60,000 a year so they can say they went to Harvard.
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Hold up, Durant's NIke contract was a direct result of his one year at Texas? Or he happened to put up ridiculous numbers and it's just coincidentally he went to Texas? Having come from a small little high school that's known in this area for only being a HS basketball powerhouse, he was pretty well regarded going into college to the point I don't think it really mattered WHERE he went. In my mind Texas simply benefited from his one year there.
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I'm not sure I get this either.
If the one year had been spent at UCLA, or Ohio State, or Florida, yeah, he'd still have gotten $60 million.
But he went to Texas. So the $60 mil came from his one year at Texas. Is that hard to follow?

Twoback · Jan 7, 2009

qtlaw said:

Twoback said:

qtlaw said:

The problem is that the scholarship rules are tilted significantly towards the university. They get one year renewals, so they can cut the guy at any time, yet the transfer has to sit out one year, and now there are restrictions.

Also, let's not get so worked up about the "free education" payoff, which is significant, but look at what the schools/bowls/leagues get. Its hardly equitable.

This is the only reason I prefer pro sports v. college, college sports is great theatre but the environment is sickening.
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I'm not sure I get that: Look what the schools/bowls/leagues get.
The education and training the college athletes get is worth a significant amount of money. For a select few, the publicity they gain is worth even more. (Ask Kevin Durant about his $60 million Nike contract, the direct result of one year spent at Texas). It's not as bad a deal for the athletes as you make it seem. It's certainly no worse a deal than the kids whose parents are paying $60,000 a year so they can say they went to Harvard.
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This is different than the Harvard scenario.

For NCAA Basketball, I recall that the tournament generates over $1B for the NCAA (most likely more now). I venture that is more collectively than is spent on scholarships for all basketball players in the NCAA. This does not even take into account the ticket revenue and NCAA affiliated sales that the kids never see.

What about football? The schools make out like bandits. Is it equitable that the coaches get $$$ for the logo contracts but the athletes get zilch even though the logos are paying for the athletes to wear it not the coach?
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Think Stanford didn't make bazillions for its connections to Cisco and Google?
Same thing.

Flying Headbutt · Jan 7, 2009

Ok, I get where you're coming from now. I thought you were insinuating that if Durant doesn't get his scholarship from Texas in particular, he's not making $60 million. I agree no matter where he went he was going to get his money. And I think the schools that recruited him knew that, and knew what they were getting, which means the value of that scholarship to Durant, while having SOME value, was still a better deal for the school.

JoelHammond · Jan 7, 2009

When the rules force Shannon/other coaches to sit out a year before moving on to his/their next gig, then he/they should be allowed to determine where a player can or can't go.

Until then, Shannon needs to STFU.

MCbamr · Jan 7, 2009

Oz said:

Rhody31 said:

As has said before in similar stories, the kid can leave Miami at any time he pleases and transfer anywhere he wants. The NCAA rule is prohibiting from playing football, not getting an education, which is what he's supposed to be doing at school
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Of course, having a scholarship to get that education sure does help.
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It would help a lot of poor kids who can't play football, but they can't play football.

Baron Scicluna · Jan 7, 2009

JoelHammond said:

When the rules force Shannon/other coaches to sit out a year before moving on to his/their next gig, then he/they should be allowed to determine where a player can or can't go.

Until then, Shannon needs to STFU.
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WFW.

As I've said in other threads on big-time college sports, it's going to take a Kevin Durant or another star player to take on the NCAA. Maybe if they cover up the logos on their jerseys, or something like that until they get paid directly by the sponsor.

Twoback · Jan 8, 2009

Flying Headbutt said:

Ok, I get where you're coming from now. I thought you were insinuating that if Durant doesn't get his scholarship from Texas in particular, he's not making $60 million. I agree no matter where he went he was going to get his money. And I think the schools that recruited him knew that, and knew what they were getting, which means the value of that scholarship to Durant, while having SOME value, was still a better deal for the school.
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I highly doubt Texas having Kevin Durant meant $60 million to the university.
Not even winning the national title would have meant an extra 60 mil.
Texas provided a pretty fair platform for Durant to expand his brand ... and that brand turned out to be worth $60 mil-plus. Again, how could the university have made out better in that bargain?

Baron Scicluna · Jan 8, 2009

Twoback said:

Flying Headbutt said:

Ok, I get where you're coming from now. I thought you were insinuating that if Durant doesn't get his scholarship from Texas in particular, he's not making $60 million. I agree no matter where he went he was going to get his money. And I think the schools that recruited him knew that, and knew what they were getting, which means the value of that scholarship to Durant, while having SOME value, was still a better deal for the school.
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I highly doubt Texas having Kevin Durant meant $60 million to the university.
Not even winning the national title would have meant an extra 60 mil.
Texas provided a pretty fair platform for Durant to expand his brand ... and that brand turned out to be worth $60 mil-plus. Again, how could the university have made out better in that bargain?
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By selling all those jerseys with Durant's number on them, but without his name, for one thing. It's just coincidental that the school would happen to be selling uniforms with a number similar to their star player, wouldn't it.

Plus, all the publicity that the school would receive, is worth a pretty penny.

Twoback · Jan 8, 2009

They'd have to move 1 million Durant jerseys at $60 per just to GROSS that much.
I'd bet they didn't sell 50,000.

Oz · Jan 8, 2009

MCbamr said:

Oz said:

Rhody31 said:

As has said before in similar stories, the kid can leave Miami at any time he pleases and transfer anywhere he wants. The NCAA rule is prohibiting from playing football, not getting an education, which is what he's supposed to be doing at school
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Of course, having a scholarship to get that education sure does help.
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It would help a lot of poor kids who can't play football, but they can't play football.
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So would a lot of other scholarships, given to athletes, band members, cheerleaders, etc. Marve's scholarship isn't the only one that could help.

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