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Worthwhile Will Leitch essay on Bill Simmons

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Double Down, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    That Simmons' book -- or any book about the NBA, for God's sake -- has topped the NYT's bestseller list absolutely boggles my mind. I fully expect the sun to rise in the west tomorrow.
     
  2. I'm amused at the vitriol aimed at Simmons.

    He was THE pioneer in Internet sports columns.

    He went to ESPN and in a group that included David Halberstam and Hunter Thompson - he was the NUMBER ONE draw on Page 2.

    He continues to blaze trails in the new media of podcasts - does anyone think his podcasts aren't the most popular of all of ESPN's offerings?

    Now he has a number ONE seller on the NY Times book list.

    Good for him.

    Because of his success doors were opened for people like Aaron Gleeman and Chad Finn. They are not alone in their debt to Simmons.

    Bill Simmons came to the cross-roads early in his career. He chose a path. It was the right path. It was a path made from the Internet that led to fame and fortune. Let him continue on his journey.

    If Bill Simmons cared about what was said here like he did five years ago, he'd take a FLAMETHROWER to this place!
     
  3. PopeDirkBenedict

    PopeDirkBenedict Active Member

    Boom, you just proved his point.

    1970-71 - 7,648 (Maravich's rookie year)
    1971-72 - 8,061
    1972-73 - 8,396
    1973-74 - 8,479
    1974-75 - 9,339
    1975-76 - 10,179
    1976-77 - 10,974 (merger with ABA)
    1977-78 - 10,947
    1978-79 - 10,822
    1979-80 - 11,017 (Bird, Magic are rookies)

    Attendance basically stagnated from 1975-80. Bill's point was that it sagged in the decade of the 1970s. Please try again.
     
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    25 of the top 50 all time NBA players played in some part of the 70's . Depressing indeed.

    If Simmons wants to make the case that the NBA had drug problems in the late 70's fine. He is wildly wrong to term the entire decade. If you want to be considered a "historian " accuracy is heavily weighted in the rubric.
     
  5. Attendance increased about 30 percent between 1974 and 1980. Please try again.
     
  6. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    This isn't relevant to the discussion of Simmons' writing, but why aren't comments allowed on his stories?
     
  7. PopeDirkBenedict

    PopeDirkBenedict Active Member

    Yes, lets ignore the fact that it was basically the same from 75-76 through 78-79, even dropping in two consecutive years and that the merger with the ABA only added 800 fans to the seats.
     
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Lets ignore that Simmons used the word "decade" . Lets also ignore that Simmons was born in in 1969 and making observations on a decade that he started still in diapers.

    BTW - some attendance figures for the late 60's :

    66- 67 6125

    67- 68 6118

    68 - 69 6442

    69 - 70 7500

    Pope I am just not seeing the "sagging" that you and Bill "the NBA historian" see.
     
  9. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    Christ, people, buckweaver writes about players from 1919. He wasn't there either. You don't have to have lived through something to write about it. Can we get past how old Simmons was in the 70s?
     
  10. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Buck talks out of his ass too. ;)

    The problem with Simmons is that he writes the stuff like he was there. If you are going to do that you better dam well get it right.
     
  11. Gene Parmesan

    Gene Parmesan Member

    The problem with the book is that it's disjointed. Doesn't tie in very well, I think. He spent 700 pages convincing us the 1986 Celtics were the greatest team of all time, basically.
     
  12. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Someone posted above that the Maravich stuff in the book was word for word the same as an earlier column. Is that basically the substance of the book, repackaged columns? It's pretty hard to write a 700 page book, I have to think some/most of it was recycled. I have no idea, but would be interested to know.
     
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