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Worse train wreck right now: Cowboys or Redskins?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Uncle Frosty, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    You guys can't seriously think the Cowboys are as close to as bad as the Redskins.

    Since 2003, the Cowboys have had a losing record twice, both times at 6-10. The Redskins have been worse than that five times in the same span. The Cowboys are on the brink of the playoffs just about every year; and within those years they are on the brink of victory in big games too many times to count. As recently as 2007, they were the best team in the NFC. Their failing is that they cannot close the deal, and it is a big failing, but for 55 of 60 minutes or for 14 of 16 games they are competitive with just about anyone.

    The Redskins, on the other hand, are a tire fire. Without the rabbit's foot winning streak of 2012, they would be working on a streak of five straight losing seasons. Never at any point in the Snyder regime have they been considered a strong contender either in the preseason or by playing their way there. Every time they make a coaching change, which is often, it is the culmination of a chain of events that can only be described as comical.

    And through it all, Snyder is more obsessed with what people are saying about him than with winning, his PR efforts aimed solely at trying to convince people the media is out to get him.
     
  2. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    The team has an ownership/GM problem.
     
  3. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Which is never going to change, so it is useless to make it an excuse.
    Dallas needs to learn how to start winning in spite of Jones.
    As the Raiders did ever briefly with Gruden.
     
  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Truthfully, they might not be. The Cowboys, for all their flaws, are just good enough to be dangerous. If they ever have a season where even a handful of these self-destructive, gut-wrenching losses flip the other way, it's not hard to fathom them being right there in the mix. If Eli Manning can catch fire for six weeks and lead mediocre Giants teams to two Super Bowls, why can't Tony Romo do the same?
    As middling as the last 16 years have been, at least the Cowboys have been competitive more often than not. This season will be six times in nine years they've been somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. Not great, certainly underachieving, but not rock-bottom bad, either. At least half the league has a worse overall resume over the last decade.

    The Redskins? They're a mess from top to bottom.
    Unlike the Cowboys, they're not a break or two away. Everything had to break right last year, AND they had to catch lightning in a bottle with RGIII just to go 10-6.
    They've made bad personnel decisions they'll be paying for for years to come. They're about to embark on yet another rebuilding project with their eighth head coach this century, who will have to watch another team pick with a top-five draft choice that should've belonged to the Skins. The franchise quarterback may or may not be a prissy, injury-prone, overrated diva. The defense and special teams can't stop a peewee team.

    The Cowboys have become a punchline, but they might only be one good month away from erasing that image.
    The Redskins have become a punchline, and it's hard to see how they're not years away from erasing that image.
     
  5. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    Briefly being the operative word. Dallas did it briefly with Jones, too. Those days are over.

    And that is not an excuse. It is the problem. Whether it can be solved or not is not the point. If you're trying to identlfy the problem, there it is.
     
  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    The Redskins are going to be a punchline for the entirety of Snyder's ownership. He belongs in the Sterling/Dolan/Mike Brown/Jeffrey Loria pantheon of ownership.
     
  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Because the Cowboys don't have the front four the Giants did in the two Super Bowl years.
     
  8. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    They need a new front seven and a new defensive coordinator and they're right there.
    Kiffin the Elder is a joke like his son - ask Warren Sapp what he thought of Kiffin.
    Watch them closely next week ... they're lining up in straight zone coverages.
    Opponents are not being the least bit fooled.
    Jerry was critical of the old defense, said it was too complicated.
    Now he has a high school defense that gets worked by a backup quarterback.
     
  9. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    The Cowboys aren't a break or two away from a championship, or even legitimate contention. They are very much, as Bill Parcells used to say, what their recent record says they are -- mediocre. They are not an overly talented team.

    I very much agree that the Redskins are a bigger train wreck than Dallas. That wasn't where I was going with all this. Just saying the belief that the Cowboys are some talented but underachieving team is not correct. Their recent achievements are exactly what they should be for their talent level.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I know when I look for smart NFL insight and analysis, Warren Sapp is the first place I turn. He is E. Fucking Hutton.
     
  11. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    The defense last season was also epically bad, with a completely different scheme and a completely different kind of DC.

    You're right that they need a new front seven. They also need a new secondary, several offensive linemen and some playmaking receivers other than Bryant.

    That isn't a coaching issue. It's a talent issue. And that comes from the GM.

    And that's their problem.
     
  12. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    I'm saying that Kiffin is painted to be some defensive sorcerer when he was nominally coaching the defense that Dungy designed and built, sprocket by sprocket. Sapp is certainly a horse's ass, but he knows about defense.
     
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