Will Joe Torre get roasted like Spree?

Stick Michael is absolutely the link.. and that link got broken when Rudy's boy Levine got George's ear.

Meanwhile, where is Derek Jeter in all this? Out partying in LA:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20153407,00.html


Guess he was very distraught about Mr. Torre leaving

 

Whata leader. Whata captain.

 

Strictly for comparison's sake: In 10 years, should this happen to the Mets, David Wright will certainly not be at the clubs, while his manager is thrown under the bus. No fucking way that happens.

 

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said the manager who wins the Series should be the highest-paid and everyone else should take a pay cut. I said that the Yankees' expectations are clearly to win the Series on a regular basis. It's not the only measure of success, but for the Yankees, who shell out such big money, it is clearly not acceptable to go 7 years without a Series win and four straight without even getting out of the first round. Torre knows that. It's part of the deal. When he was winning championships, the Yankees paid him accordingly. Now that he's not, why should they keep paying him the same money? The incentives he was insulted about made perfect sense. The Yankees were saying, "If you get back to winning the Series like you used to, you'll get paid for it like you used to. Otherwise, you'll have to take less." Torre didn't like that setup, which is certainly his right, but I don't want to hear him talk about being insulted by a multi-million offer. Not when he's failed to do what he's being paid for seven straight times.

 

Quick show of hands:

Your boss calls you into her office. Says, "We're incentivizing your performance. We're cutting your pay by 1/3. You might make it all back, though, if you win the Pulitzer Prize - again."

How many of us don't use the word "insulting" later in the day to describe that offer to family and friends?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Anyone?

 

That's a great example, although I think it's a little different in our positions, assuming we probably don't all make $5 million a year. But I'd be extremely insulted even at the notion of that happening to me.

 

If my boss had said to me years ago, "We're different from other papers. We pay off on Pulitzer Prizes. Since you've won a bunch of them, we're going to make you the highest paid writer in the business. Keep up the great work."

Seven years later, I haven't kept up the great work. I haven't won another Pulitzer and my contract is up. If my boss says, "You know the deal. No Pulitzer, no top dollar. We're gonna have to cut your salary."

I'd have no right to feel insulted. Especially if I was going to have to make do on $5 mil.

 

The amount doesn't matter. These are economies of scale.

And unless Torre's contract actually specified the winning of the World Series each year as a necessary component of satisfying his contract, your comparison doesn't hold.

 

I refer to the amount because this thread began as a comparison between Torre and Sprewell, who was roasted for turning his nose up at an amount of money most of us would kill for. Torre has done the same thing.

And regardless of the language of the contract, Torre knew what the Yankees' expectations were. They may have been unrealistic, but that's what he signed on for. There is no other manager who would have survived 7 straight years in NY without even a trip to the Series other than Torre, and the reason he survived is because of his previous track record and because of his class and dignity. But at some point the Yanks have a right to decide that's not enough. Like I said, he has every right to walk away, but insulted? No, not when he received more patience from Yankee management than any other manager would have.

 

If the amount didn't matter, then why on earth did people get upset at Sprewell?