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Will Joe Torre get roasted like Spree?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twoback, Oct 20, 2007.

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  1. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    What is it now, three years that Latrell Sprewell has been a national punchline for his "feed my family" line?
    I'll be waiting to see if any journalists/commentators make as much sport of Torre for saying it was an "insult" to be offered an incentive-laden one-year deal with a guaranteed FIVE MILLION.
    I'm betting against it.
    Was it a "get-lost" offer? Absolutely.
    But you don't tell a nation of people making an average of $55,000 that $5 million is an "insult."
    Joe Torre, you are as big a joke as Spree.
    J-Dub, this one's on a tee for you. Be my guest, hit it out of the park.
     
    Twoback, Oct 20, 2007
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  2. Idaho

    Idaho Active Member

    No
     
    Idaho, Oct 20, 2007
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  3. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Spree long ago lost touch with reality.

    Given his job history, Chubbo Levine's final offer was an insult . . . one designed to be rejected.

    Wholly different situations/circumstances.
     
    Ben_Hecht, Oct 20, 2007
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  4. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Ben, please don't try to explain this situation to someone who can't even get the basic facts right. It's a waste of time
     
    spnited, Oct 20, 2007
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  5. mike311gd

    mike311gd Active Member

    Not at all. When smart people look at the incentive-based, one-year deal with no room to negotiate for a person who led his team into the postseason every years (all 12 of them), won four World Series titles and who's under the constant scrutiny -- not from the media, but his boss -- of Joe Torre, they'll understand why he rejected it.
     
    mike311gd, Oct 20, 2007
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  6. mike311gd

    mike311gd Active Member

    Wish I had read that before.
     
    mike311gd, Oct 20, 2007
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  7. wickedwritah

    wickedwritah Guest

    Show me Spree's first championship on any level, and I might buy your shtick.
     
    wickedwritah, Oct 20, 2007
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  8. hockeybeat

    hockeybeat Guest

    1997-1998 Choker Of The Year.
     
    hockeybeat, Oct 20, 2007
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  9. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    Uh-huh.
    Which basic facts were those?
    I know it was designed to be rejected. I said that in the intial post. Calling it an insult puts Torre in Sprewell territory, except that that the key here is that he's a "gentleman" and wore a suit while he tossed a big (figurative) middle finger at middle America.
     
    Twoback, Oct 20, 2007
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They are no-where near analogous situations. Managing, unlike playing, is not a job with a limited shelf life. A manager isn't reliant on his physical skills, so his effectiveness doesn't decrease when he passes his limited prime year. A manager's effectiveness also can't be decreased by injuries, the way an athlete's can. That is what Sprewell was facing, which is why he was facing a decrease in pay and lack of interest in his services from other teams. Secondly, Torre rejected a contract offer. He didn't say anything stupid like, "How the hell do they expect me to feed my family on $5 million a year?" That was the disconnect between Sprewell and fans, who laughed at what was a dumbass statement. Third, Sprewell wasn't a beloved athlete because of his past behavior and the fact that he hadn't entrenched himself with one team and had unprecedented success. Torre had. No offense, but it's a ridiculous analogy -- which is why no one else is making it.
     
    The Big Ragu, Oct 20, 2007
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  11. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Basic fact that you got wrong:

    Torre did not say that $5 million was an insult.
    What he said was: "If somebody offers you a 33% pay cut, they must not be happy with the job you're doing."

    What he said was: "I had been there 12 years and I didn't think motivation was needed. The incentives, I took as an insult."

    If you think that puts him in Spree territory, you are clueless.
     
    spnited, Oct 20, 2007
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  12. casty33

    casty33 Active Member

    I can't say it any better than spnited, so I won't try. The Twoback opinion is a joke.
     
    casty33, Oct 20, 2007
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