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Wide Impact of Climate Change Already Seen in U.S., Study Says

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, May 6, 2014.

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  1. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    If climate change isn't harmful, we will have made the world better for no reason. Can't have that.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    YF would argue that we haven't made the world better. That we have tamped down economic growth for no good reason.
     
  3. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Say it ain't so.

    http://www.cato.org/
     
  4. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    No, he just made the argument that it was for "speculative" reasons.

    Because predictions, even if made by the world's foremost experts multiple times over many years, aren't enough, apparently.

    What actions to combat climate change have tamped down economic growth in a statistically significant way? Cap and trade has never and will never become law.

    Also, a shift away from dependence on fossil fuels, for example, has a lot of other benefits, too. So do a lot of similar actions and "green" initiatives.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Well, closing coal mines and coal plants in West Virginia, for example. Forcing cars manufacturers to comply with new standards, with the costs passed down to consumers would be another.
     
  6. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    The argument against fighting climate change never takes into account that there might be deleterious effects on the economy if action is not taken. For instance, protecting or moving the population of Miami away from its watery grave. Of course, that would cut into Exxon's profits, and we can't have that.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    How would "fighting" global warming make the word better?

    If we're talking about alternate fuels, I'm all for developing them, regardless of the issue of global warming.

    And, most of the steps necessary to "prevent" it will tamp own economic growth. Plus, they either need to exempt developing nations, or sentence them to permanent third world status.

    And, for what? We don't know what will happen if we do nothing, and we don't know what will happen if we take the recommended steps.

    And, there will be winners and losers if the planet continues to warm. A navigable Northwest Passage. Lands in Russia and Canada that will be livable, and available for agriculture, etc.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Of course it does. There is a vast literature out there addressing this and trying to figure out what the balance would be.
     
  9. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    There's also a vast sea of people that thinks it's all hocus pocus and nothing but the status quo need be done.
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    What does need to be done?

    Seriously? What should we do, and will it reverse global climate change?

    And, should we take these steps if other countries don't join us?
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Carbon tax.

    Carbon tax money used to develop alternative energy technology.
     
  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    As to economic impact ... here's one that will never fly but illustrates the conundrum -- a California lawmaker has introduced the idea of a mileage tax to replace the existing gas tax.

    http://www.sgvtribune.com/government-and-politics/20140502/california-could-start-taxing-motorists-for-every-mile-they-drive

    The gas tax might not have been sufficient to begin with, in retrospect, but the bigger problem is that greater fuel efficiency (and consumer savings) has depleted the funds for road and bridge repair.
     
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