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Where does Brady rank?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Mr. Sunshine, Feb 2, 2015.

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  1. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    1. Doug Williams
    2. Mark Rypien
    3. Joe Theismann
     
    JackReacher, Feb 2, 2015
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  2. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I checked on this thread and my suspicions were confirmed. If people on this board do not realize teams win games, not individual players, there is no hope. All the quarterbacks discussed here are all-time greats. Brady would be no less great today if Pete Carroll hadn't lost his mind at the goal line and run for the damn TD.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Feb 2, 2015
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  3. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    These are the kind of hot takes I was expecting. Tell me more!
     
    Mr. Sunshine, Feb 2, 2015
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  4. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Do you think the Hall of Fame should stop honoring individual players and instead induct just teams?
     
    Mr. Sunshine, Feb 2, 2015
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  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Oh, sure. But if David Tyree doesn't make a ridiculous catch that he drops 98 out of 100 times, then he wins his fourth Super Bowl then. Over the course of a career, I guess people just figure those things even out and the number - which, yes, there is still a little too much emphasis on - is grenerally representative of the quarterback's playoff prowess.

    It's crazy. The Patriots almost lost their second Super Bowl because of a circus catch.
     
    Dick Whitman, Feb 2, 2015
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  6. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Third. That Manningham catch wasn't as highlight-reely, but it was every bit as difficult as Kearse's.
     
    Mr. Sunshine, Feb 2, 2015
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  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    No, I'm saying that trying to evaluate great players by how their teams won or lost is a fool's exercise. You can make up a damn fine all-time team out of Hall of Famers whose teams never even reached an NFL championship game. Is Barry Sanders less of a running back because he never made a Super Bowl? This kind of talk is just an excuse for people to talk about quarterbacks, the one position everyone thinks they know how to evaluate.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Feb 2, 2015
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  8. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Yes, things like the Super Bowl give people an excuse to talk about football. Fucking assholes.
     
    Mr. Sunshine, Feb 2, 2015
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You play football to try to get to, and win the Super Bowl. So of course people put stock in players that make it to a lot of them.

    Obviously football is a team game. But would you agree that standout players can elevate a good team, just as a standout player is usually not enough to elevate a bad team? And then you get all the kinds of teams in between really good and really bad, and the effects an all-time QB might have on a team like that. You need to look at everything. It's legitimate to make subjective arguments about whether Brady was the difference that took some really good teams (like other really good teams in the league that fell short) and made them championship teams by what he added. It's legitimate to question whether the Dolphins were good enough many years to where Marino could / should have taken them to more Super Bowls if he was the kind of player that could elevate a team. Most people don't rely on just winning and losing to evaluate a QB. They understand context. They will ask themselves the subjective question of how much Tom Brady, in particular, had to do with making it t0 6 Super Bowls and then winning 4, for example.
     
    The Big Ragu, Feb 2, 2015
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  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Bradshaw is just so laughable
     
    JC, Feb 2, 2015
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  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Ragu wants to know why Jack Morris isn't on the list.
     
    Dick Whitman, Feb 2, 2015
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  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    He does have som brilliant hot takes
     
    JC, Feb 2, 2015
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