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What is the fascination with David Eckstein?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Walter_Sobchak, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    David Eckstein: 2 World Series rings
    A-Rod: 0 World Series rings

    David Eckstein is TWICE the player A-Rod is.
  2. Appgrad05

    Appgrad05 Active Member

    this made me laugh out loud.
  3. LiveStrong

    LiveStrong Active Member

    uh, so if A-Rod wins a ring next year, Eckstein will be ... twice the player A-Rod is?
  4. Sea Bass

    Sea Bass Well-Known Member

    You really think he's below average? Below average power numbers, sure. But as a player? I think that's harsh.

    He's got a lifetime average of .283, and has hit .276 or higher in five of his six seasons. Two all-star games, with both of them being manager's selections. He's been the leadoff man on four playoff teams in six seasons. Say what you want about him, but a below-average player doesn't get this stuff done.
  5. EStreetJoe

    EStreetJoe Well-Known Member

    If he played in NY (for the Yankees), he would've been converted to third base for a few seasons. Then after the Yankees signed A-Rod to make sure the Red Sox don't get him, he would have been converted to a utility player.
    Or instead of third base he would have been converted to second base so Soriano and then Cano would play the outfield.
    No way would he have displaced Jeter at short.

    Had he played in NY for the Mets, he'd still be looking for that second WS ring because the Mets would have found a way to lose the LCS anyway. :)
  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Eckstein makes every team he plays for better than they were before they had him. He does the little things - moving runners up, making routine play after routine play, etc. - that don't get noticed on a day-to-day basis but translate into 5-10 wins over a 162-game season.

    Small case in point, last year's NLCS against the Astros. Houston up 2, Cardinals down to their last out, Eckstein gets on after a great at-bat. Somebody else gets on (Edmonds?) and Pujols unloards with a 3-run homer to win.

    He's not a great individual player. He is a great, great team player. In the era of celebrating talented, selfish idiots like TO, that gets overlooked. I doubt there's a manager in MLB - black, while, Asian, Jewish, Mexican. Somalian or Japanese - who wouldn't love to have a guy like Eckstein on his team.

    Bill James had an excellent piece on a similar player from the 1980s, Scott Fletcher. Seemingly modest in individual talent, but every single time he was traded the team that obtained him had a significantly better record the following year.

    Oddly enough, it was the exact opposite with Bobby Bonds, generally considered a great player. Every team he went to got worse.
  7. ballscribe

    ballscribe Active Member

    If you judged a player simply by how great his numbers are, we would never have ANY threads about A-Rod. :)
  8. indiansnetwork

    indiansnetwork Active Member

    Now we have A-Rod for that Bobby Bonds role.
  9. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    Very good.
  10. Claws for Concern

    Claws for Concern Active Member

    Eckstein's MVP nod and another ring only adds to the misery for the Angels fans. Edmonds gets a ring, Weaver gets a ring, Eck gets a second one. Damn.
  11. Chi City 81

    Chi City 81 Guest

    They just won a World Series four years ago. Why would they be miserable?
  12. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Angels fans are too busy trying to figure out how Stoneman can get another slugger (preferably one not named A-Rod) ... they could care less about Weaver and Edmonds and Eckstein (and Spiezio, for that matter.)
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