What do you pay for health insurance?

Our system is far from perfect but I will take any day of the week over what you have. Just look at what people are paying on this thread. You can link away, we have a lot of issues but nobody goes broke because they are sick. To each their own. I would rather pay higher taxes and have the care we have than the alternative.

 

As always, we can count on you to cherry pick articles on a system that you denigrate with adjectives like "crumbling". Really? Like your economy?

As I've said many times before, the health system we have isn't perfect but at least people don't lose their homes and go bankrupt because they can't afford procedures. And on an international scale Canadian health care is routinely ranked ahead of the US.

And not sure if you realise it, our health system is the same as yours but we have a single payer and Canadians don't have to dick around with Kafka like insurance bureaucracies. Doctors actually have more time to spend on patients than US doctors.

 

You're a fucking socialist

 

The "bankruptcy because of medical bills" is one of the most overhyped myths we have going.

For most people, medical bills may have pushed them over the cliff, but it was the thousands in debt they had already amassed that led them to the cliff in the first place.

 

Mr. Rand never fails to disappoint.

I can't even bother to go through all your right wing bullshit but let's look at this one paragraph:

It also comes with all the inefficiencies of that kind of bureaucratic monopoly and the substandard overall care everyone universally gets when you have to ration and balance your debt load versus what you can offer, because the never-ending accumulation of debt is eventually going to sink you.

"inefficiencies of that kind of bureaucratic monopoly" Well, in fact ours is a pretty transparent system. You go to the doctor, he/she bills the government. Government pays the doctor

Canadian doctors, in case you weren't aware of it, are private businesses just like American doctors. The difference is that yours and their patients have to go through the Kafkaesque bureaucracy of insurance companies whose only job is to screw both . And you say we have a bureaucracy?

substandard overall care Check your facts, pal. As I mentioned previously, Canadian health care is routinely considered superior to yours. And if it's substandard why do Americans routinely send their children to the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto or come to Princess Margaret Hospital for cancer treatment?

you have to ration This has always been a favourite of yours. So, in your country, if someone can't afford to have a procedure, that's not "rationing".Oh, wait it's the marketplace in action. It's just the poor's fault they don't have enough money to afford insurance. Yeah, that's civilized.

because the never-ending accumulation of debt is eventually going to sink you That's freaking hilarious coming from someone whose country has the greatest debt in the world.

And for every article you link claiming how our system is "unsustainable" (one of your other favourite cliches) I can cite sources indicating otherwise. Your arguments have the same logical fallacy: Appeal to Authority

But then you're the same guy who has posted such nonsense as "NAFTA creates tariffs" when you clearly don't know the first thing about NAFTA

The same applies to your knowledge of Canadian health care

I will stick with our system because despite its flaws, beats anything you guys have .

And I always love your "objective reality" comments. No, it's not objective reality just because you say so.

It's funny that someone from a country with one of the most fucked up health care systems in the world would lecture someone from another country about their country's health care shortfalls.

Ok, I've had my fun for tonight I think I'll take my government mandated meds and go to bed.

 

Right now, I pay about $225 a month for what they call "catastrophic" care. The deductible is $5,000.

I'm about to get married again, and will probably switch to the $1,000 deductible, which I believe is double the amount, and add my wife.

To get anything fixed, it costs $50 just to be seen ($20 per doctor copay, $30 per specialist copay and $50 for an ER visit).

So basically, I can't afford to be seen for anything unless it's critical, then it can't be too critical or I'm screwed.

It sucks royally, and now, since insurance companies know we have to carry it, it will skyrocket.

 

I saw an ENT guy today about my fucked up nose and sinuses, had a camera stuck up my nose and hat a CT scan. Cost: $20.

Surgery will cost $100 for probably a $6,000 (or more) procedure to fix my nose.

My coverage also includes dental and vision. All preventative measures are covered 100 percent.

The wife pays about $340 or so a month for us and our daughter. Of course, it helps that she works at big local university.

This is the first time I've had insurance since working at a paper in the I.E. in 2006.

Joe

 

I have the best plan my employer offers and I pay roughly $80 a month for medical, dental and vision.

 

It's a self-perpetuating myth, too. A lot of these bankruptcy studies are just surveys. If you ask someone why they went bankrupt, they would probably rather tell you "medical bills" than "hookers and blow on the credit card."

 

I don't know why but that just made me laugh out loud. Although I think the only thing the credit card would be used for with blow would be to line it up. I doubt the local dealer is accepting MasterCard.