Welcome Mr. Mussina

Pedro = Jack Morris. Dominant for a decade, needed to be dominant for 12 or 14.

 

For the love of piss. Morris was not dominant for a decade.

And I'll make a bet of your choosing that Pedro makes the Hall of Fame on his first ballot.

 

I dunno, Zeke can be pretty twink

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Amen to that.

 

300 is antiquated in the sense of the pitchers with 300 or more wins, 23 players, 7 of them started their careers in the 1800's including Cy Young.
Waller Johnson, Eddie Plank, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Matthewson, and Lefty Grove all pitched before WWII and the majority of their career were pre-1930's.

That's 12 pitchers before modern times out of 23.

Only Early Wynn and Warren Spahn won 300 while pitching in the 40s-60s, exclusively. And of the players who lived through WWII and missed seasons, only Bob Feller(266) and Red Ruffing(273) were close to winning 300 and missed time because of serving in the Armed Forces.

Maddux, Clemens, Carlton, Ryan , Sutton, Neikro, Perry, Seaver and Glavine all have won their 300 games in modern times with 5 man rotations.
Only Randy Johnson has a chance of active players to reach 300.

I agree that the Hall of Fame shouldn't be reserved for pitchers who lasted 20+ years and pitched into their 40's. The HOF seems to have lowered their standards for position players compared to the more stringent criteria for pitchers.

If Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins, Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Jim Palmer, Carl Hubbell, Whitey Ford and Juan Marichal are in, AND DESERVEDLY SO, Jim Kaat, Blyleven, Jack Morris and Tommy John also deserve entry without a ticket.

If Pedro, what about Pettitte who has about the same number of wins in 3 less seasons and who has 14-9 post season record.
And as long as your talking about Pedro, Mussina has pitched about 2 more seasons than Martinez but has 56 more wins, was much more durable and dependable.

 

No one will ever blame a bad start on a pre-game memorial for a man that dies. For that Mussina should be in the Hall.

 

you can't possibly believe this

 

If winning one Game 7 got you into the HOF then Jack Morris would be a first-ballot selection. Game 7 of the 1991 World Series is still the great WS game I've seen in my lifetime.

But no, Morris is in no way a Hall of Famer.

 

And as long as your talking about Pedro, Mussina has pitched about 2 more seasons than Martinez but has 56 more wins, was much more durable and dependable.

He also had 54 more losses, if you want to play that game.

When I think of Mussina in his prime, I think he was very good, but not great. When I think of Pedro in his prime, I think about how as soon as the Sox scored one run, it felt like definite victory. He was that good.

 

Exactly. Mussina has one full season in his career with an ERA under 3.00, with a 2.54 mark in 1992. Martinez has a 2.91 ERA for his career, including two seasons with an ERA under 2.00. He also has three Cy Young awards. Mussina has none.

Mussina has been more durable, but that's about it, which is the reason he has 56 more victories. Mussina has made 136 more starts in his career than Martinez.