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Vegas casinos hate America

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by dixiehack, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I think I'm going to parlay my hard eight!

    The silly blackjack games are getting out of hand, no pun intended. Played one (forget the name) where the house gave you a free double-down on 9, 10 and 11. The kicker is that a dealer 22 is a push. Actually treated me well for a 10-minute hit-and-run, but wouldn't want to play it all the time.
     
  2. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    That's probably why it's so annoying. Basic blackjack strategy is not hard to comprehend. Add 10 to whatever the dealer's up card is, realize you don't have to get 21 every time to win, and go from there. One or two unorthodox decisions isn't too bad, and it's probably coincidence on how it affects you, but if things turn sour it mindfucks you. Makes you think Dingus A did something stupid, so I need to become Dingus B to shift things back the other way. And then everybody's screwed.
    The longer it goes on, the worse it gets.

    Like DQ, I don't (or didn't; I haven't played in a couple of years) count cards. I generally treated every hand as its own individual event because that's as far as I could track the cards and would quickly go insane if I tried to track it beyond that. I'm not good at advanced math, which is why I became a sports writer.
     
  3. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    I was rather fond of Spanish 21 for a while. No 10s in the deck, which I'm sure increases the house's edge exponentially, but there were some fun wrinkles. You could split as many times as you want, even with aces, and double down whenever you wanted to. So if you started with 5-2, hit and got a 4, you could double down on your three-card 11. A five-card 21 also paid out regardless of what the dealer wound up with.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    No, that's a pretty low-edge game. In fact, depending on how the dealer handles soft-17s and how much doubling is allowed, it can have a lower edge than blackjack.
     
  5. SoCalDude

    SoCalDude Active Member

    A friend uses the easiest counting method from an instructional book and claims to have had better success than when it is not used. Has to be a 2-deck table, 2/1 on blackjacks. Player counts the 5s and Aces. Aces are the best card for the players, 5s are the best card for the dealer. So when an Ace is gone, that is a negative-1; when a 5 is gone, it is a positive-1. If the deck gets to +2 or +3 or more, raise your bet. If it gets to -2 or -3 or more, decrease your bet. Maintain your stock bet if the deck is -1, 0 or +1. Player claims it works and has had success. Been thrown out of one Vegas casino, the Stratosphere. They were polite. "I'm sorry, we will not take your action here anymore."
     
  6. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Ya'll are playing the wrong games. Best value in any casino is at the race book, but it requires work beforehand.
     
  7. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    That's just a simplified version of the MIT teams' strategy. Changing bets is a tell, which is why they had teams.
     
  8. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    The dealer had to hit a soft 17 (they stay on all 17s in regular blackjack here) and, as I said, you could double at any time. Even doubling on 12 wasn't a terrible play in terms of busting out. I just liked playing it because it was fun. You had to sit there and explain it to people who had never played it before, but it was fun.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    If you're interested in how various rules affect the house edge, I highly recommend wizardofodds.com ... For tons of games with "strategy," they've gone through and run all the simulations. Really, really interesting stuff.
     
  10. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Where do you find a 2-deck table 2/1 on blackjacks?
     
  11. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    How did they train you to look like an innocent schlub?
     
  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Oh, conditions can be very favorable at downtown and locals casinos. El Cortez apparently still has a single-deck game paying 3/2 for blackjack. They don't take too kindly to bet spreads, though.
     
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