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UPDATE: Cabrera over Trout for A.L. MVP

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    Interesting that WAR is seen as the arbiter. According to WAR, not only should Cabrera lose to Trout, he should also finish behind Cano and Verlander.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    Uh, home runs?
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    I was just pointing out areas where Trout outperformed Cabrera. It was a given that Cabrera had outperformed Trout in batting average, home runs, and RBI's. The question was: Given that Cabrera outperformed him in these important categories, how could Trout possibly have been considered more valuable?
     
  4. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    No one thinks Mike Trout will win the MVP. Calm down, you Morganites.

    A better question: Why must we always fixate on awards when discussing who is actually best?
     
  5. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    Versatile is Passan!
     
  6. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    The average this year was 73%, not high 70s, but point taken.
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/type/expanded
     
  7. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Re: Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.com ...

    3B is harder than CF, the action is quicker and generally need to be in position, field AND throw accurately. CF, more often than not, the put-out, the catch, ends the pressure of the play. RAw speed and quickness can make up for poor positioning. There is more skill involved in playing 3B.
    Something that I think should be considered, Cabrera moved over to play 3B after a 4 year break, sacrificing the comfort level of playing the less demanding 1B position.
    That he was able to win the Triple Crown is impressive, that he was able to win it, while essentially playing out of position in a more demanding defensive position, made him invaluable. The Most inValuable Player
     
  8. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Re: The Cabrera-Trout debate

    The third base argument is such bull shit and about as bad as the playoff argument considering Trouts team won more games. He refused to DH which actually would have helped his team more.
     
  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Re: The Cabrera-Trout debate

    LOL


    Cabrera did not refuse to DH -- it was actually Fielder who made it a condition of signing with Detroit that he not DH.

    Cabrera's move to 3B was made in anticipation of 2013 when Victor Martinez, who cannot play any defensive position at all, will likely return to the lineup.

    Had Cabrera refused to move to 3B but gone to DH, they would have to eat the Martinez contract in addition to playing some .220-hitting Class AAAA idiot like Brandon Inge at 3B.

    Plus the Tigers believe it is good for the value of both Cabrera and Fielder to keep them at defensive positions where they will have incentives to stay in (relatively) better shape. Move Cabrera to 1B and Fielder to DH and between the two of them they could weigh 700 pounds in a year.
     
  10. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Re: The Cabrera-Trout debate

    Shoulda used Parsecs.
     
  11. Greenhorn

    Greenhorn Active Member

    Re: The Cabrera-Trout debate

    Eons is actually a sabermetric term. It stands for Errors Over Nominal Starter.
     
  12. Mark2010

    Mark2010 Active Member

    Re: The Cabrera-Trout debate

    OK, fine. It's a subjective argument and anyone is free to disagree. I value batting average, on-base percentage and run productivity (HR/RBI) far more than the other stuff. So I'd lean toward Cabrera. If there was a tie, I'd factor in how his team did in the standings, which is another advantage Cabrera.
     
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