Uh oh - more asterisks needs for MLB! Who told you so - lol? Mark = HOF

da el g · May 3, 2007

bigpern23 said:

John D. Villarreal said:

Hey OOP,

Yes, you have been better as of late which is why I give you serious answers to serious Q's/opinions. I would encourage you to keep that going regardless of if you like me or Mark, etc.

I don't have a lot of time today so I will make this brief. As to my stuff - should be obvious by now & most of it is ok with me as I came on here to inform the debate, but I think it is only fair I get proper credit. Why I am not getting proper credit - many reasons I am sure (some personal, some professional). Anyway, whatever, I will likely remedy much of that (it actually gives me more ammo (and people wonder why I don't post the "hot scoops" here - lol oh man) & we have covered some of that ground before & it would take to much time right now to reexamine so let's let it stand on that. You can have your view, I have mine & I think anyone fair who has followed the whole story & my involvement can judge for themselves. I am MORE than comfortable that I have more evidence on that point than most who would keep Mark out of the HOF for alledged PED use have.

As to Mark,

1.) He hit 49 HR's as a rookie. This was when 49 was a huge number. What does that tell you?

2.) Your arguments are flawed above for several reasons:

a.) Often PED use can lead to MORE frequent & more severe injuries (no I am not going to explain how & why as I am tried of getting my stuff "potentially" stolen). Also, ask the night crew - I'm no expert - lol.

b.) I thought Canseco (who we all should believe 100% right?) said he gave Mark all these drugs prior to 1992 when he was traded. Prior to when I trained him, prior to Mark hitting tons of HR's and breaking the record. Funny, that was also prior to Mark getting hurt a lot and when I got Mark he was around 235 and (relatively for Mark) skinny. So how does that work???

c.) Now you can predict how many HR's Mark would have if the entire league were clean while Mark played & you think I have an ego - WOW! Dude, I can't even do that. That is insane speculation for SOOO many reasons. It doesn't work like that as much as I know you wish it would since that would make your arguments work so much better.

Again, you guys can't have it both ways so which is it? Did he need PED's to hit HR's? Then what about his rookie year? Did Canseco give him tons of juice? Then why was he small when I trained him? Do steroids prevent injuries? Then why was he injured a fair amount later when his HR's were climbing (unless shock of shocks MAYBE he was clean...hmmm). If lots of other MLB players were using PED's then how is it that Mark excelled against them if he would have sucked without PED's?

Yes, your tangled web continues to get more tangled and ensnare you.

Damn looks like someone's arguments are unraveling - your's or Canseco's (likely both).

You said you are trying to be fair then be fair. If you are cool then you will likely get a lot more out of me & we can have an informed extensive discussion you will benefit from, but that will take some admission that I really really know what I am talking about & I am sure that may be tough to grip with around here.

Either way is fine by me as l am am not on staff at an SJ outlet and don't have to worry about getting a story out, particularly a hot one like this with one of the biggest "gets" in sports right now. It doesn't matter to me as I don't have any papers to sell (yes, you're all in business after all and all compete with each other at the end of the day).

However, I will get the truth out in a way that serves Mark's and my interests. Already have to a large extent, but then that's obvious.

JDV
Click to expand...

720.
Click to expand...

number of words or his SAT score?

friend of a friend · May 3, 2007

da el g said:

bigpern23 said:

John D. Villarreal said:

Hey OOP,

Yes, you have been better as of late which is why I give you serious answers to serious Q's/opinions. I would encourage you to keep that going regardless of if you like me or Mark, etc.

I don't have a lot of time today so I will make this brief. As to my stuff - should be obvious by now & most of it is ok with me as I came on here to inform the debate, but I think it is only fair I get proper credit. Why I am not getting proper credit - many reasons I am sure (some personal, some professional). Anyway, whatever, I will likely remedy much of that (it actually gives me more ammo (and people wonder why I don't post the "hot scoops" here - lol oh man) & we have covered some of that ground before & it would take to much time right now to reexamine so let's let it stand on that. You can have your view, I have mine & I think anyone fair who has followed the whole story & my involvement can judge for themselves. I am MORE than comfortable that I have more evidence on that point than most who would keep Mark out of the HOF for alledged PED use have.

As to Mark,

1.) He hit 49 HR's as a rookie. This was when 49 was a huge number. What does that tell you?

2.) Your arguments are flawed above for several reasons:

a.) Often PED use can lead to MORE frequent & more severe injuries (no I am not going to explain how & why as I am tried of getting my stuff "potentially" stolen). Also, ask the night crew - I'm no expert - lol.

b.) I thought Canseco (who we all should believe 100% right?) said he gave Mark all these drugs prior to 1992 when he was traded. Prior to when I trained him, prior to Mark hitting tons of HR's and breaking the record. Funny, that was also prior to Mark getting hurt a lot and when I got Mark he was around 235 and (relatively for Mark) skinny. So how does that work???

c.) Now you can predict how many HR's Mark would have if the entire league were clean while Mark played & you think I have an ego - WOW! Dude, I can't even do that. That is insane speculation for SOOO many reasons. It doesn't work like that as much as I know you wish it would since that would make your arguments work so much better.

Again, you guys can't have it both ways so which is it? Did he need PED's to hit HR's? Then what about his rookie year? Did Canseco give him tons of juice? Then why was he small when I trained him? Do steroids prevent injuries? Then why was he injured a fair amount later when his HR's were climbing (unless shock of shocks MAYBE he was clean...hmmm). If lots of other MLB players were using PED's then how is it that Mark excelled against them if he would have sucked without PED's?

Yes, your tangled web continues to get more tangled and ensnare you.

Damn looks like someone's arguments are unraveling - your's or Canseco's (likely both).

You said you are trying to be fair then be fair. If you are cool then you will likely get a lot more out of me & we can have an informed extensive discussion you will benefit from, but that will take some admission that I really really know what I am talking about & I am sure that may be tough to grip with around here.

Either way is fine by me as l am am not on staff at an SJ outlet and don't have to worry about getting a story out, particularly a hot one like this with one of the biggest "gets" in sports right now. It doesn't matter to me as I don't have any papers to sell (yes, you're all in business after all and all compete with each other at the end of the day).

However, I will get the truth out in a way that serves Mark's and my interests. Already have to a large extent, but then that's obvious.

JDV
Click to expand...

720.
Click to expand...

number of words or his SAT score?
Click to expand...

Number of hot chicks he's pulled -- this week.

John D. Villarreal · May 3, 2007

friend of a friend said:

da el g said:

bigpern23 said:

John D. Villarreal said:

Hey OOP,

Yes, you have been better as of late which is why I give you serious answers to serious Q's/opinions. I would encourage you to keep that going regardless of if you like me or Mark, etc.

I don't have a lot of time today so I will make this brief. As to my stuff - should be obvious by now & most of it is ok with me as I came on here to inform the debate, but I think it is only fair I get proper credit. Why I am not getting proper credit - many reasons I am sure (some personal, some professional). Anyway, whatever, I will likely remedy much of that (it actually gives me more ammo (and people wonder why I don't post the "hot scoops" here - lol oh man) & we have covered some of that ground before & it would take to much time right now to reexamine so let's let it stand on that. You can have your view, I have mine & I think anyone fair who has followed the whole story & my involvement can judge for themselves. I am MORE than comfortable that I have more evidence on that point than most who would keep Mark out of the HOF for alledged PED use have.

As to Mark,

1.) He hit 49 HR's as a rookie. This was when 49 was a huge number. What does that tell you?

2.) Your arguments are flawed above for several reasons:

a.) Often PED use can lead to MORE frequent & more severe injuries (no I am not going to explain how & why as I am tried of getting my stuff "potentially" stolen). Also, ask the night crew - I'm no expert - lol.

b.) I thought Canseco (who we all should believe 100% right?) said he gave Mark all these drugs prior to 1992 when he was traded. Prior to when I trained him, prior to Mark hitting tons of HR's and breaking the record. Funny, that was also prior to Mark getting hurt a lot and when I got Mark he was around 235 and (relatively for Mark) skinny. So how does that work???

c.) Now you can predict how many HR's Mark would have if the entire league were clean while Mark played & you think I have an ego - WOW! Dude, I can't even do that. That is insane speculation for SOOO many reasons. It doesn't work like that as much as I know you wish it would since that would make your arguments work so much better.

Again, you guys can't have it both ways so which is it? Did he need PED's to hit HR's? Then what about his rookie year? Did Canseco give him tons of juice? Then why was he small when I trained him? Do steroids prevent injuries? Then why was he injured a fair amount later when his HR's were climbing (unless shock of shocks MAYBE he was clean...hmmm). If lots of other MLB players were using PED's then how is it that Mark excelled against them if he would have sucked without PED's?

Yes, your tangled web continues to get more tangled and ensnare you.

Damn looks like someone's arguments are unraveling - your's or Canseco's (likely both).

You said you are trying to be fair then be fair. If you are cool then you will likely get a lot more out of me & we can have an informed extensive discussion you will benefit from, but that will take some admission that I really really know what I am talking about & I am sure that may be tough to grip with around here.

Either way is fine by me as l am am not on staff at an SJ outlet and don't have to worry about getting a story out, particularly a hot one like this with one of the biggest "gets" in sports right now. It doesn't matter to me as I don't have any papers to sell (yes, you're all in business after all and all compete with each other at the end of the day).

However, I will get the truth out in a way that serves Mark's and my interests. Already have to a large extent, but then that's obvious.

JDV
Click to expand...

720.
Click to expand...

number of words or his SAT score?
Click to expand...

Number of hot chicks he's pulled -- this week.
Click to expand...

Ha ha, well not quite - only 2 this week, but should be upping that to 4-5 by the end of the weekend depending on who comes in town for Cinco (and what other trouble I can get into )

Of course, it helps when you look like this - ha ha.

You know how I roll!

JDV

friend of a friend · May 3, 2007

John D. Villarreal said:

friend of a friend said:

da el g said:

bigpern23 said:

John D. Villarreal said:

Hey OOP,

Yes, you have been better as of late which is why I give you serious answers to serious Q's/opinions. I would encourage you to keep that going regardless of if you like me or Mark, etc.

I don't have a lot of time today so I will make this brief. As to my stuff - should be obvious by now & most of it is ok with me as I came on here to inform the debate, but I think it is only fair I get proper credit. Why I am not getting proper credit - many reasons I am sure (some personal, some professional). Anyway, whatever, I will likely remedy much of that (it actually gives me more ammo (and people wonder why I don't post the "hot scoops" here - lol oh man) & we have covered some of that ground before & it would take to much time right now to reexamine so let's let it stand on that. You can have your view, I have mine & I think anyone fair who has followed the whole story & my involvement can judge for themselves. I am MORE than comfortable that I have more evidence on that point than most who would keep Mark out of the HOF for alledged PED use have.

As to Mark,

1.) He hit 49 HR's as a rookie. This was when 49 was a huge number. What does that tell you?

2.) Your arguments are flawed above for several reasons:

a.) Often PED use can lead to MORE frequent & more severe injuries (no I am not going to explain how & why as I am tried of getting my stuff "potentially" stolen). Also, ask the night crew - I'm no expert - lol.

b.) I thought Canseco (who we all should believe 100% right?) said he gave Mark all these drugs prior to 1992 when he was traded. Prior to when I trained him, prior to Mark hitting tons of HR's and breaking the record. Funny, that was also prior to Mark getting hurt a lot and when I got Mark he was around 235 and (relatively for Mark) skinny. So how does that work???

c.) Now you can predict how many HR's Mark would have if the entire league were clean while Mark played & you think I have an ego - WOW! Dude, I can't even do that. That is insane speculation for SOOO many reasons. It doesn't work like that as much as I know you wish it would since that would make your arguments work so much better.

Again, you guys can't have it both ways so which is it? Did he need PED's to hit HR's? Then what about his rookie year? Did Canseco give him tons of juice? Then why was he small when I trained him? Do steroids prevent injuries? Then why was he injured a fair amount later when his HR's were climbing (unless shock of shocks MAYBE he was clean...hmmm). If lots of other MLB players were using PED's then how is it that Mark excelled against them if he would have sucked without PED's?

Yes, your tangled web continues to get more tangled and ensnare you.

Damn looks like someone's arguments are unraveling - your's or Canseco's (likely both).

You said you are trying to be fair then be fair. If you are cool then you will likely get a lot more out of me & we can have an informed extensive discussion you will benefit from, but that will take some admission that I really really know what I am talking about & I am sure that may be tough to grip with around here.

Either way is fine by me as l am am not on staff at an SJ outlet and don't have to worry about getting a story out, particularly a hot one like this with one of the biggest "gets" in sports right now. It doesn't matter to me as I don't have any papers to sell (yes, you're all in business after all and all compete with each other at the end of the day).

However, I will get the truth out in a way that serves Mark's and my interests. Already have to a large extent, but then that's obvious.

JDV
Click to expand...

720.
Click to expand...

number of words or his SAT score?
Click to expand...

Number of hot chicks he's pulled -- this week.
Click to expand...

Ha ha, well not quite - only 2 this week, but should be upping that to 4-5 by the end of the weekend depending on who comes in town for Cinco (and what other trouble I can get into )

Of course, it helps when you look like this - ha ha.

You know how I roll!

JDV
Click to expand...

Please don't wink at me. I'm married.

Log in or Sign up

Uh oh - more asterisks needs for MLB! Who told you so - lol? Mark = HOF

Now after all of the PED revelations how many feel Mark McGwire should be in the HOF?

Yes, he was always a HOF'r

Yes, he has suffered enough vote him in

Probably, most of MLB was using some PED

Maybe

No, I hate Mark

da el g Member

friend of a friend Guest

John D. Villarreal New Member

friend of a friend Guest

Share This Page

Log in or Sign up

Uh oh - more asterisks needs for MLB! Who told you so - lol? Mark = HOF

Now after all of the PED revelations how many feel Mark McGwire should be in the HOF?

Yes, he was always a HOF'r

Yes, he has suffered enough vote him in

Probably, most of MLB was using some PED

Maybe

No, I hate Mark

da el g Member

friend of a friend Guest

John D. Villarreal New Member

friend of a friend Guest

Share This Page

Useful Searches