U.S. Marines Urinating On Corpses Video

YankeeFan · Jan 21, 2012

Well, except for the Marines pissing on dead Taliban soldiers, Afghanistan is going well:

The United States soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came last April when an Afghan Air Force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting American officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.

He then killed himself after writing “God in your name” and “God is one” in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week.

In a 436-page report, the Air Force investigators said the initial coalition explanation for the attack — stress brought on by financial problems — was only a small part of Colonel Gul’s motivation. His primary motive was hatred of the United States, and he planned the attack to kill as many Americans as possible, the investigators said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/world/asia/afghan-soldiers-step-up-killings-of-allied-forces.html?_r=1&ref=europe&pagewanted=all
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Nice that we've been covering this up until now.

France looking to pull out as a result:

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France suspended military training and assistance for Afghan forces on Friday and said he would consider an early withdrawal from Afghanistan after an Afghan soldier shot and killed four French soldiers on a base in eastern Afghanistan.

The attack was the latest in a series of episodes in which Afghan soldiers or police officers, or insurgents wearing official uniforms, have opened fire on soldiers of the American-led coalition in Afghanistan.

The killings are intended to sap Western morale and hasten the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan sooner than an agreed NATO deadline of the end of 2014, when Afghan forces are supposed to be ready to defend the country on their own. A rising number of the attacks have also been born of simmering animosity between coalition forces and the Afghan soldiers they fight alongside and train.

With many European countries facing unprecedented economic pressures at home, such attacks by Afghan soldiers on foreign troops have added to public questioning of the value of continued involvement in Afghanistan. If France were to reduce its troops early or precipitously, it could spur other countries to follow suit, Western and Afghan officials warned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/world/europe/sarkozy-weighs-afghan-withdrawal-after-4-french-troops-killed.html?pagewanted=all
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Azrael · Jan 21, 2012

Not much of a cover-up.

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104001,00.html

blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/01/09/officials-afghan-soldier-kills-american-colleague/

www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2012/01/10/afghan-soldier-kills-american-wounds-three-others/91aDHm7A2OW5pgymZKxmNK/story.html

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2012/01/10/MNMG1MMOEQ.DTL

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-09/afghan-soldier-kills-u-s-counterpart-in-attack-at-military-base.html

www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/world/asia/afghan-soldier-kills-american-and-wounds-3-others.html

Boom_70 · Jan 21, 2012

Time to bring everyone home.

YankeeFan · Jan 21, 2012

Azrael said:

Not much of a cover-up.

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104001,00.html

blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/01/09/officials-afghan-soldier-kills-american-colleague/

www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2012/01/10/afghan-soldier-kills-american-wounds-three-others/91aDHm7A2OW5pgymZKxmNK/story.html

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2012/01/10/MNMG1MMOEQ.DTL

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-09/afghan-soldier-kills-u-s-counterpart-in-attack-at-military-base.html

www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/world/asia/afghan-soldier-kills-american-and-wounds-3-others.html
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Az, those are all recent articles.

We were downplaying this at best, by going with the "lone nut" description:

But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by American and NATO officials as isolated episodes that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate American command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view. The Wall Street Journal reported on details of the investigation last year. A copy was obtained by The New York Times.

“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.

The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But “incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed I.S.A.F. members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis,” said Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr. of the Army, a spokesman for the American-led International Security Assistance Force. “We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships.”

The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces’ deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked American and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.
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In this recent killing -- like the attempts to explain away Maj. Hassan & the attempted Times Square bomber -- they tried to explain away the motives as stress/financial related.

Nope. as the report finds, he hated Americans & killed "in God's name".

The United States soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came last April when an Afghan Air Force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting American officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.

He then killed himself after writing “God in your name” and “God is one” in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week.

In a 436-page report, the Air Force investigators said the initial coalition explanation for the attack — stress brought on by financial problems — was only a small part of Colonel Gul’s motivation. His primary motive was hatred of the United States, and he planned the attack to kill as many Americans as possible, the investigators said.
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Azrael · Jan 21, 2012

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

Not much of a cover-up.

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104001,00.html

blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/01/09/officials-afghan-soldier-kills-american-colleague/

www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2012/01/10/afghan-soldier-kills-american-wounds-three-others/91aDHm7A2OW5pgymZKxmNK/story.html

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2012/01/10/MNMG1MMOEQ.DTL

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-09/afghan-soldier-kills-u-s-counterpart-in-attack-at-military-base.html

www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/world/asia/afghan-soldier-kills-american-and-wounds-3-others.html
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Az, those are all recent articles.

We were downplaying this at best, by going with the "lone nut" description:

But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by American and NATO officials as isolated episodes that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate American command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view. The Wall Street Journal reported on details of the investigation last year. A copy was obtained by The New York Times.

“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.

The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But “incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed I.S.A.F. members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis,” said Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr. of the Army, a spokesman for the American-led International Security Assistance Force. “We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships.”

The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces’ deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked American and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.
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In this recent killing -- like the attempts to explain away Maj. Hassan & the attempted Times Square bomber -- they tried to explain away the motives as stress/financial related.

Nope. as the report finds, he hated Americans & killed "in God's name".

The United States soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came last April when an Afghan Air Force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting American officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.

He then killed himself after writing “God in your name” and “God is one” in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week.

In a 436-page report, the Air Force investigators said the initial coalition explanation for the attack — stress brought on by financial problems — was only a small part of Colonel Gul’s motivation. His primary motive was hatred of the United States, and he planned the attack to kill as many Americans as possible, the investigators said.
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The Zabul 'volleyball' shooting happened on Sunday, January 8. Those stories are all from Monday, January 9.

YankeeFan · Jan 21, 2012

Azrael said:

The Zabul 'volleyball' shooting happened on Sunday, January 8. Those stories are all from Monday, January 9.
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Az, Afghan soldiers have been killing our guys for years.

Do you really want to argue that it's been fully reported, let alone acknowledged by our military?

And, did the volleyball shooting get nearly the media attention and/or world wide condemnation that the pissing incident did?

Azrael · Jan 21, 2012

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

The Zabul 'volleyball' shooting happened on Sunday, January 8. Those stories are all from Monday, January 9.
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Az, Afghan soldiers have been killing our guys for years.

Do you really want to argue that it's been fully reported, let alone acknowledged by our military?

And, did the volleyball shooting get nearly the media attention and/or world wide condemnation that the pissing incident did?
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Those are entirely different assertions.

You specified a 'cover-up.'

YankeeFan · Jan 21, 2012

Azrael said:

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

The Zabul 'volleyball' shooting happened on Sunday, January 8. Those stories are all from Monday, January 9.
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Az, Afghan soldiers have been killing our guys for years.

Do you really want to argue that it's been fully reported, let alone acknowledged by our military?

And, did the volleyball shooting get nearly the media attention and/or world wide condemnation that the pissing incident did?
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Those are entirely different assertions.

You specified a 'cover-up.'
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The media can't report what they don't know.

Looks to me like a concerted effort was made to downplay & under report these incidents -- including, and maybe especially their motives -- by our military.

Boom_70 · Jan 21, 2012

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

The Zabul 'volleyball' shooting happened on Sunday, January 8. Those stories are all from Monday, January 9.
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Az, Afghan soldiers have been killing our guys for years.

Do you really want to argue that it's been fully reported, let alone acknowledged by our military?

And, did the volleyball shooting get nearly the media attention and/or world wide condemnation that the pissing incident did?
Click to expand...

Those are entirely different assertions.

You specified a 'cover-up.'
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The media can't report what they don't know.

Looks to me like a concerted effort was made to downplay & under report these incidents -- including, and maybe especially their motives -- by our military.
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Certainly would have been the wrong narrative.

Azrael · Jan 21, 2012

The narrative that our in-country 'allies' are no more reliable now than they were in 1968?

If only we'd been warned.

Boom_70 · Jan 21, 2012

Azrael said:

The narrative that our in-country 'allies' are no more reliable now than they were in 1968?

If only we'd been warned.
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No one was paying attention. Obama is playing the role of LBJ in this one.

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