Two Years On: Obamacare

The Big Ragu · Apr 4, 2012

That was definitely nonsensical enough to be worthy of you.

Zeke12 · Apr 4, 2012

Boom_70 said:

penis was out of proportion to his scrotum
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Keep it on the Jones thread, please.

Armchair_QB · Apr 4, 2012

deskslave said:

I used to go to an endocrinologist in the States that would charge 20 goddamn dollars for a finger-stick blood glucose test, the same one I perform at home multiple times a day. They'd bill me six of those dollars. Six fucking dollars for a test I've done on my own probably in excess of 100,000 times.

But yeah. MORE testing. That's the ticket.
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Obamacare won't' change that.

Boom_70 · Apr 4, 2012

The Big Ragu said:

That was definitely nonsensical enough to be worthy of you.
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Ragu - you would pick shit off fly paper. You did not trust my summary and asked for report. I cited the article that provided the detail. A well written and well thought article by a New Yorker writer who also happens to be a surgeon and teaching professor at Harvard Medical School.

The Big Ragu · Apr 4, 2012

Boom_70 said:

The Big Ragu said:

That was definitely nonsensical enough to be worthy of you.
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Ragu - you would pick shit off fly paper. You did not trust my summary and asked for report. I cited the article that provided the detail. A well written and well thought article by a New Yorker writer who also happens to be a surgeon and teaching professor at Harvard Medical School.
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You are right.

Even though you quoted the whole exchange, I honestly didn't connect your linking to that article to the earlier the post. It wasn't entirely clear from what you wrote that that was your reason. I didn't make the connection. I apologize for that.

I thought you were posting that link to just keep the conversation going in another direction and I didn't reread that whole New Yorker article -- I was working at the time and posting quickly. So I just posted about what I remembered about that article, not realizing you were posting it as the place you got your studies about Medicare costs / quality of health care.

My memory of that article wasn't about studies cited in it. It was his prescription and the whole "general contractor" when you build a house model for managing health care -- which really was the purpose.

In any case, I apologize. I didn't connect the posts, even if I should have.

Boom_70 · Jun 28, 2012

Interesting reading back through this thread. Kudos to Ragu.

The Big Ragu said:

If the Supreme Court wasn't a de facto legislature, no way this thing passes the muster of our Constitution. The individual mandate is not among Congress' enumerated powers; no matter how much you want to twist yourself into a pretzel, we have always had the economic liberty to to decide which products we want to buy for ourselves and which we don't.

That said, I can see one of two things, given the fact that it is a politicized institution, and the Supreme Court has wandered away from its mandate over the last 80 years. I think it will probably pass 5-4. They will just punt the thing down the road--they may go with the narrow grounds that there is no actual court case yet. Not until 2015 when the first person suffers harm from the tax penalty. See you then.

Alternately, something I read reminded me of Obama's State of the Union address, with the justices sitting right in front of him, when he mischaracterized their Citizens United ruling, dressed them down, and played it for applause from his party members. If they have long memories, maybe this is the way to get their revenge and reassert their power over him, for lack of a better way of putting it.

Either way, the one thing I am sure about is that no ruling like this will be rooted in the actual Constitution. They decide which way they want to steer social policy in this country and then create whatever bullshit seems the most plausible to make themselves seem legit.
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Football_Bat · Jul 2, 2012

Someone could try to re-litigate it via the tax route, but it'll be 2017 at the earliest before SCOTUS gets the case, even if it's fast-tracked. Roberts' opinion pretty much nips this in the bud anyway.

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