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Trading Kevin Love

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Mark2010, Jul 21, 2014.

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Should the Minnesota Timberwolves trade forward Kevin Love?

Poll closed Jul 31, 2014.
  1. No, the Timberwolves should keep Love as the cornerstone of the franchise.

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. Yes, the Timberwolves should trade Love to Cleveland for Wiggins, Bennett and draft pick(s).

    15 vote(s)
    75.0%
  3. Yes, the Timberwolves should trade Love, but not to Cleveland.

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  4. Maybe, the Timberwolves should stand pat for now, but consider a trade later.

    1 vote(s)
    5.0%
  1. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    Given Miami was one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA last year -- which bit them in the ass against San Antonio, and might have against Indiana had the team not imploded -- I can understand LeBron wanting to have an elite rebounder around. Which do you think would be more effective -- Love rebounding a whipping a pass downcourt to an open LeBron, or LeBron having to rebound himself and worm his way through? Love with the ball in his hands while LeBron and Irving leak on the break? That's hard to stop.
     
  2. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Yes. It absolutely depends on which 1st round pick is traded.
     
  3. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    Considering the picks will probably be No. 7, No. 20 and No. 30, it definitely matters.
     
  4. Mark2010

    Mark2010 Active Member

    I can see why Cleveland might want Love. James and Irving are probably going to dominate the ball on the perimeter and driving the lane. Love could give them a low-post option on offense in addition to a good rebounder.
     
  5. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

    Wiggins signed a two-year contract today so he won't get traded any time soon.
     
  6. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    Yes, "a" percentage, but not the "same" percentage. And that percentage difference means a significant difference in number of possessions, shots and wins in the end.

    Your whole reasoning on this is so flawed, and could be applied to about any star and any team. You know, if Michael Jordan hadn't played on the Bulls someone else would've scored a big percentage of those points, if Magic hadn't been on the Lakers someone else would've had a big percentage of those assists, etc. Yeah, so what? It wouldn't have been the same percentage, and that percentage difference, even if just a small difference, is what set their teams apart and won championships.

    And this line you've been throwing out about his rebounding "not adding much value" strikes me as plain absurd. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Dennis Rodman won championships wherever he went, or that the Bulls had a 72-10 record the year after he became their new power forward? Why do you think the addition of Ben Wallace transformed a last place Pistons team into one that dominated the East for a half-decade and won a title? Adding a great rebounder can make a HUGE difference. And Love IS a great rebounder. Except, unlike other great rebounding specialists, he's ALSO a great outside shooter and passer has well. He's got a unique combination of skills for a big man that we see .....oh ....just about never.

    Oh, and can we stop talking about Wiggins and Love as if they're comparable players who simply have different skills and weaknesses? That's nonsense. Wiggins is a crazy bundle of potential, but he's nowhere remotely close to the player Love is right now. In fact, he's not even as good as the player Love was in college at UCLA more than six years ago, much less the star in his prime he's become today.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    30-day waiting period, not exactly a deal-killer.
     
  8. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    All that means is a 30 day wait before a deal can be consummated. It really changes nothing in the overall analysis.
     
  9. Rainman

    Rainman Well-Known Member

    Didn't say otherwise.
     
  10. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    Sigh....I feel like we're going around in circles at this point. The basic thesis: The Cavs are going to be a very good rebounding team with or without Love. Because they have good rebounders already, and there's deminishing returns for every good rebounder you have. I didn't say rebounds weren't valuable. They are. I said the fact that Love's a good rebounder isn't of great value to the Cavs. Because again, they've already got good rebounders. You mention Rodman, yeah, he's valuable. But the second Rodman on your team would be less valuable than the first one. And the third Rodman even less valuable. Because there's only so many rebounds to go around. It's like how if you have 4 all-pro WRs, it'd be silly to trade a first-round pick or use a lot of cap space on a 5th all-pro WR. There aren't enough balls to go around to make it valuable to your team (that doesn't make that all-pro suddenly BAD, or mean he brings nothing to your team, it just means he's not valuable to the team whose cup runneth over with WRs. He's still insanely valuable to a team that doesn't have any of that skill.)

    So no, my logic isn't insane. It's that I'm making my argument - and always have been - in the context of everyone else on the Cavs. As I said: The Cavs should be significantly improved in this area with the addition of LeBron, a healthy V, and a freak athlete in Wiggins. So they project as a top-of-the-league rebounding team without Love. Adding another rebounder gives you diminished returns. Loves rebounding would be a bigger reason to get him on LAL (worst rebounding team in the league) than for this Cavs team. It doesn't hurt. But it only helps at the very margins.

    And again, this isn't saying Love is bad. I love Love. As I also mentioned earlier his spacing and his ability to bang against PFs on D would be big wins for the Cavs, and throw in his passing too.
     
  11. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    Anyway, to the Cavs are getting their roster in position to add Love: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavs-looking-for-trade-parts-for-deal-for-kevin-love-185536749.html
     
  12. Mark2010

    Mark2010 Active Member

    For the Wolves, either Wiggins or Irving would have to be part of any potential trade to draw my interest. If not, there are better trade offers from other teams.
     
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