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To playoff or not to playoff?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Oldschoolguy, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. Oldschoolguy

    Oldschoolguy New Member

    Does the Division IA/FBS "National Champ" have as much right to claim it's No. 1 as do the winners of the tournaments at other levels of college football?

    Or, to frame the argument a bit differently: Should there be some kind of playoff -- any kind of playoff -- at the highest DI football level?

    You guys may have debated this endlessly, in which case I apologize for bringing up a beaten-to-death topic. But as a coach and sports fan, I never tire of it.

    My opinion: Yes. There should be a playoff. I've heard all the arguments. Every one of them either relies on faulty logic or can be easily refuted. (How's them for fightin' words?)

    Very curious where you all stand on this.
  2. forever_town

    forever_town Active Member

    Yes, there should be a playoff. The NCAA Division 1-A football "champion" is a fraud unless there's a playoff to determine the winner.

    Wanna keep the Weedwhacker Bowls for the chumps who finish 7-5? Go ahead. Wanna keep the other "traditional" bowl games? Make them part of a playoff. But there must be a playoff to determine a national champion.

    Don't give me the bullshit argument about the guys playing almost as many games as the NFL does if there's a playoff. Division 1-AA does it and no one bitches about that. Also, 13 games including a bowl (or 14 including a conference title game and a bowl) is pretty close to the 16 games as it is.

    Besides, let's call a spade a spade. The best Division 1-A college football programs are glorified minor leagues for the NFL as it is now.
  3. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    So if Joe Fan in Oklahoma City wants to watch his Sooners' run to the national title next year, all he has to do is this:

    Arrange transportation to the Cotton Bowl (first-round game will be in Norman; Cotton will host second round).

    Then, on one week's notice, he has to buy plane tickets and hotel reservations to Glendale, Ariz., for the Fiesta Bowl semifinals.

    Then, on one week's notice, he has to buy plane tickets and hotel reservations to Miami for the BCS national title game.

    All in the middle of the worst economy the nation has seen in 70 years.

    All Div. I-AA playoff games are at campus sites except for title game.

    You cannot do that in Div. I-A "while making the bowls part of the playoff process" . . . so all comparisons to Div. I-AA and talking about having the bowls participate in the playoff are useless.

    Are the Florida Gators a fraud champion?

    No more than N.C. State basketball in 1983.
  4. CentralIllinoisan

    CentralIllinoisan Active Member

    The playoff issue is putting the cart before the horse. A small, but very important change needs to be made first: the polls.

    The Harris and Coaches' polls should not be compiled until at least week 8 of the season or maybe a week before the BCS. This gets rid of inherent unfairness.

    The Associated Press and preseason magazines can have their polls, etc., because those do not count toward the BCS. But the two polls part of the mathematical equation of the BCS needs to be as accurate as possible.

    As for a playoff, no more than eight teams.
  5. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    How about a plus-three model:

    -- Keep the 12-game schedule. It funds lower-sports teams and brings in revenue. But have a 13-week season. You get 13 weeks to play 12 games. If you want a conference championship game, fine, do it the last week of the season, but it counts as a 12th game. Or have a bye during the season. The regular season ends on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

    -- On the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend, early, before that day's NFL games, announce a 16-team bracket to be played the following Saturday now occupied by conference championship games. And the games are played on campus sites of the higher-ranked teams, not at lesser bowl sites. You have a strong season, you get rewarded with a playoff game, like is done in FCS, Division II and Division III. No guarantees for any conference champions. The best 16 teams as set up by a panel of one representative from all of the FBS conferences, not just the six BCS conferences. If two teams from the WAC are deemed better than the ACC champion, they get in.

    -- After the first round, you get your break for finals and so forth that currently is in place. If you lose in the first round of the playoffs, you can go to a lesser bowl starting in mid-January. Keep the lesser bowls. They don't mean anything now, they won't mean anything in this and teams can get nice watches and a week in El Paso and Shreveport. The playoff quarterfinals are played on New Year's Day -- make the day relevant again -- at the Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar bowls. Reseed the teams as needed like is done in the NHL playoffs after the first round. Put the conference tie-ins, as best as possible, into their current bowl setups. So if a Pac-10 team is alive and seeded higher than one from the Big Ten, it plays in the Rose Bowl. Same with Big 12 with the Fiesta, SEC with the Sugar and ACC and/or Big East in the Orange.

    -- Have the semifinals played one of two weekends. Either the following weekend, when the NFL divisional playoffs are held (play one on Saturday afternoon, before the NFL doubleheader that starts at 4:30 p.m. EST and the second one on Sunday night after the NFL doubleheader, which ends about 8 p.m. EST) . Or do a doubleheader on the day before NFL conference championship games.

    -- National championship game is held on the Saturday or Sunday between the NFL conference championship games and the Super Bowl.

    -- If you want the big four to continue double hosting, rotate the semifinals and championship game among them (you don't host anything, say, the year before you get the title game). Or open it up to bidding and rotate the three games around the country. San Diego. Dallas. Tampa. Orlando. As well as the other four (Pasadena, Tempe, New Orleans, Miami.)
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