Time Magazine's Top 10 Rock and Roll Hall of Sham Snubs

BYH · Apr 4, 2009

I think he meant Ripken over Trammell.

That's how I took it, anyway.

dooley_womack1 · Apr 4, 2009

The following post:

Junkie said:

The mom of a local prep athlete works for the RRHof. I asked her how they decide, and how acts like Kiss, Rush and others aren't in, while while nameless faceless others that suck are ... this is what was forwarded to me, an apparently canned response from Top Men at the Hall:

Thanks for your comments about (yes, this was blank, meaning this is a form letter sent out to disgruntled fans of many artists). They are certainly a good choice. Here’s how the process works.

Nomination and induction into the Hall of Fame is not about popularity, records sales, which label the group is on, or anything other than the process below. The love for, the evaluation of, and the impact of any artist are subjective questions to be answered by the nominators and the voters. Unlike baseball, football, basketball or hockey, statistics are not relevant.

The entire nomination and induction process is coordinated by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation in New York City. Artists can be inducted in four categories: Performer, Early Influence, Non-Performer and Side-Men. The latter three categories are evaluated and decided by separate committees.

The selection of Performers is a two-step process. The only formal criteria for the performance category is that an artist has to have had their first record 25 years ago. That said, candidates are reviewed and discussed relative to their impact on this music that we broadly call rock and roll. The innovation and influence of these artists is also critical. Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are really not appropriate standards for evaluation.

The formal selection of Performers begins with an extensive panel of journalists (I think Bubbler is on this committee), historians, previous inductees, noted musicians, industry heads, etc. In turn, those nominated are sent to a committee of more than 500 people around the world (journalists, historians, music industry management, all living inductees, musicians, etc.) who vote. Those receiving the highest number of votes and more than 50% of the votes cast are inducted into the Hall. Usually, this means five to seven new performing members each year. All this said, you can see the road to being inducted is an arduous one and for the most part, removed from the realm of influences or politics.

Finally, as I noted above, everyone personalizes everything about rock and roll, when they are brought into the circle of discussion. As such, the definition of "rock and roll," who is or was important, and who should be inducted is incredibly subjective. Everyone believes themselves to be the “expert”. Unfortunately, there are no longer any absolutes when it comes to candidates. The Chuck Berry, Elvis, Little Richard, Beatles days are gone. Going forward, the controversy will continue. Having said that, I believe that all worthy candidates will be inducted, just not always when they or their fans deem timely. In fact, there's not only precedent in our history, but also with the sports halls of fame where many great stars do not get inducted in the their early years of eligibility, or for many years to come in quite a few instances.
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Becomes this when translated by Dooleyfish:

Junkie said:

Whatever Jann Wenner says.
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Double J · Apr 4, 2009

dooley_womack1 said:

The following post:

Junkie said:

The mom of a local prep athlete works for the RRHof. I asked her how they decide, and how acts like Kiss, Rush and others aren't in, while while nameless faceless others that suck are ... this is what was forwarded to me, an apparently canned response from Top Men at the Hall:

Thanks for your comments about (yes, this was blank, meaning this is a form letter sent out to disgruntled fans of many artists). They are certainly a good choice. Heres how the process works.

Nomination and induction into the Hall of Fame is not about popularity, records sales, which label the group is on, or anything other than the process below. The love for, the evaluation of, and the impact of any artist are subjective questions to be answered by the nominators and the voters. Unlike baseball, football, basketball or hockey, statistics are not relevant.

The entire nomination and induction process is coordinated by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation in New York City. Artists can be inducted in four categories: Performer, Early Influence, Non-Performer and Side-Men. The latter three categories are evaluated and decided by separate committees.

The selection of Performers is a two-step process. The only formal criteria for the performance category is that an artist has to have had their first record 25 years ago. That said, candidates are reviewed and discussed relative to their impact on this music that we broadly call rock and roll. The innovation and influence of these artists is also critical. Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are really not appropriate standards for evaluation.

The formal selection of Performers begins with an extensive panel of journalists (I think Bubbler is on this committee), historians, previous inductees, noted musicians, industry heads, etc. In turn, those nominated are sent to a committee of more than 500 people around the world (journalists, historians, music industry management, all living inductees, musicians, etc.) who vote. Those receiving the highest number of votes and more than 50% of the votes cast are inducted into the Hall. Usually, this means five to seven new performing members each year. All this said, you can see the road to being inducted is an arduous one and for the most part, removed from the realm of influences or politics.

Finally, as I noted above, everyone personalizes everything about rock and roll, when they are brought into the circle of discussion. As such, the definition of "rock and roll," who is or was important, and who should be inducted is incredibly subjective. Everyone believes themselves to be the expert. Unfortunately, there are no longer any absolutes when it comes to candidates. The Chuck Berry, Elvis, Little Richard, Beatles days are gone. Going forward, the controversy will continue. Having said that, I believe that all worthy candidates will be inducted, just not always when they or their fans deem timely. In fact, there's not only precedent in our history, but also with the sports halls of fame where many great stars do not get inducted in the their early years of eligibility, or for many years to come in quite a few instances.
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Becomes this when translated by Dooleyfish:

Junkie said:

Whatever Jann Wenner says.
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Well done. Perfectly translated.

playthrough · Apr 4, 2009

lono said:

Time is no more credible a source about rock 'n' roll than Consumer Reports is about lingerie.
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Yeah, but CR has a great time with those tests.

Bubbler · Apr 4, 2009

Robin Yount was better than either Trammell or Ripken. He is the Chrissie Hynde in this argument.

Ivan DeJesus, by the way, is the Lita Ford.

Steve Jeltz, Onix Concepcion, Mike Fischlin and Al Pedrique were the members of seminal all-female hard rockers Vixen.

NoOneLikesUs · Apr 4, 2009

No love for Hynde here either. Never understood the attraction some have to her.

Trey Beamon · Apr 5, 2009

Bubbler said:

Steve Jeltz, Onix Concepcion, Mike Fischlin and Al Pedrique were the members of seminal all-female hard rockers Vixen.
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Awesome.

So does that make Dickie Thon the shortstop version of Randy Rhoads, minus the whole dying part?

Trey Beamon · Apr 5, 2009

Piotr Rasputin said:

10. Cheap Trick (Maybe, but what did they have, five years where they were relevant? Replays of decades-old songs on radio should not count when a band is no longer recording or even touring. But then, the frackin' PRETENDERS are in, so why not?)
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Yeah, CT are now trailer park/county fair vets. Doesn't mean they haven't put out quality music since their heyday.

pallister · Apr 5, 2009

Cheap Trick blows.

BYH · Apr 5, 2009

pallister said:

Cheap Trick blows.
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Well, there goes that truce.

Trey Beamon · Apr 5, 2009

pallister said:

Cheap Trick blows.
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Someone else gets to blow Jay Cutler.

Double J · Apr 5, 2009

Trey Beamon said:

Bubbler said:

Steve Jeltz, Onix Concepcion, Mike Fischlin and Al Pedrique were the members of seminal all-female hard rockers Vixen.
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Awesome.

So does that make Dickie Thon the shortstop version of Randy Rhoads, minus the whole dying part?
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Thon, Hubie Brooks and Buddy Biancalana are Salt 'n Pepa.

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