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andykent · May 15, 2007

Frank,

You took the word right out of my mouth. If that's not an appropriate place to end this thread, I don't know what is. Although in the interests of fairness I do believe Jason deserves a chance to answer.

2muchcoffeeman · May 15, 2007

J-Dub, I deleted the comment that originally led to this response, but suffice it to say that I believe you're nothing more than collateral damage --- sadly, kind of like a lot of people around here.

Why do threads get locked? Because they descend into hateslinging mudfests with no interference from the moderators or the administrator until it's too late and everyone else, especially the innocent bystanders, are too disgusted to give a shit anymore.

(Kind of like the current midpoint of this thread, now that I think about it.)

jaredk · May 15, 2007

Beautiful sermon beautifully pitched.
But too generous by half.
And his audience is tone deaf.

Frank_Ridgeway · May 15, 2007

Even if I didn't agree with jgmacg, and I do, some of the writing talent on this board blows me away at times.

Sportsbruh · May 15, 2007

jgmacg said:

JW -

Just so you know, I have no personal problem with you at all. I've never met you, and, in fact, had never read your work before stumbling across this place 18 months ago. I can't speak for F_B, because he's busy bathing in the soothing waters of the Hooterville railroad tank with his sisters, but I suspect he doesn't have any personal problems with you either. There are plenty of folks here who do seem to have trouble with you - but believe it or not, I'm on your side.

I challenge your work here occasionally because I think the issues you've taken up, especially in the last few months, are too important to argue poorly or cheaply or incompletely.

The racial divide in this country has been the central failure of American society since the founding of the Republic. That the pain and ignorance and evil of our differences persist nearly unabated is this nation's greatest shame. And my personal experience of this battle for racial equality and betterment, beginning as a kid in the 1960s, is central to the ideas I hold dear and the man I've become.

As I say that, however, I understand that those experiences - and my authority on the matter, moral, practical or literary - are of immeasurably less value in the public debate over racial discord and public improvement than your own. No matter how much I may wish to, I can't necessarily write about the issue with anything rivalling your impact. I know this.

So now we arrive at the moment when you've worked hard enough and have been lucky enough to find yourself, for however long, in the national spotlight.

My hope in challenging your ideas here is merely that your ideas be the better for it. That they be sounder and more compelling. That they do more good for more people in more places. That they be whole and seamless and irrefutable.

You have a rare platform from which to make yourself heard, Jason, and people from coast to coast are now listening. Can either of us do any less than our best to make sure that the message you send is worth hearing?
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That was nice!

applauding!!!!!

Unfortunately, Jason met his harshest critics EVER! A Campus full of Blackmen and women - and they REJECTED him. We are talking about college educated journalist students that were uniformally against Jason.

You can't get any lower than that. (when your own people rejects you).

Ask Oprah, she said it when she received her Doctorate at Howard.

"There is not higher honor than coming from YOUR own"

21 · May 15, 2007

jaredk said:

Beautiful sermon beautifully pitched.
But too generous by half.
And his audience is tone deaf.
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Terrible haiku.

Jones · May 15, 2007

jgmacg is the stone-cold nuts.

jaredk · May 15, 2007

21 said:

jaredk said:

Beautiful sermon beautifully pitched.
But too generous by half.
And his audience is tone deaf.
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Terrible haiku.
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Bad haiku? Who knew?
Hard enough it is in prose
To spell J-Dub's woes

Bob Loblaw Law Blog · May 15, 2007

jgmacg said:

Just so you know, I have no personal problem with you at all. I've never met you, and, in fact, had never read your work before stumbling across this place 18 months ago. I can't speak for F_B, because he's busy bathing in the soothing waters of the Hooterville railroad tank with his sisters, but I suspect he doesn't have any personal problems with you either. There are plenty of folks here who do seem to have trouble with you - but believe it or not, I'm on your side.

I challenge your work here occasionally because I think the issues you've taken up, especially in the last few months, are too important to argue poorly or cheaply or incompletely.

The racial divide in this country has been the central failure of American society since the founding of the Republic. That the pain and ignorance and evil of our differences persist nearly unabated is this nation's greatest shame. And my personal experience of this battle for racial equality and betterment, beginning as a kid in the 1960s, is central to the ideas I hold dear and the man I've become.

As I say that, however, I understand that those experiences - and my authority on the matter, moral, practical or literary - are of immeasurably less value in the public debate over racial discord and public improvement than your own. No matter how much I may wish to, I can't necessarily write about the issue with anything rivalling your impact. I know this.

So now we arrive at the moment when you've worked hard enough and have been lucky enough to find yourself, for however long, in the national spotlight.

My hope in challenging your ideas here is merely that your ideas be the better for it. That they be sounder and more compelling. That they do more good for more people in more places. That they be whole and seamless and irrefutable.

You have a rare platform from which to make yourself heard, Jason, and people from coast to coast are now listening. Can either of us do any less than our best to make sure that the message you send is worth hearing?
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novelist_wannabe · May 15, 2007

sportschick said:

They lock them to make you ask questions, Jason.
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.... and it worked beautifully, too.

Jason, what is your middle name (I'm too lazy to look it up; I'm sure it's on the net somewhere). If it's not Narcissus, I'll be shocked.

opieandanthony · May 15, 2007

Gotta respect a big-time columnist who will come on here and debate issues and use his real name.

that's all i'm saying.

Elliotte Friedman · May 15, 2007

yeah, get back to me when you think up something... dude, it's a one-sentence answer. i don't need a long-winded explanation or details.

bottom line, when this place was broke, i dropped $300 on webby because i like to read people pick apart my theories. i enjoy reading the people who seem to have personal problems with me, such as FB and jgmac and others. occasionally they say stuff that gets me thinking, especially when they're able to fight their pettiness..
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Uh, Jason: I was "working my corners" today. I'm sure you can understand that, since it's what you claim to do from time-to-time.

Even if I can't properly respond, I do feel it's important to acknowledge posts or PMs about my moderating as quickly as possible. I take this responsibility quite seriously. Therefore, my delayed answer is not because I need "time to think up something," but to make sure I put enough thought into my rationale.

Judging by some of your columns, I can see how this method of thinking may confuse you. But it's the way I approach things.

Quite simply, threads get locked when too many posts have to be deleted. It's not entirely your fault, but the two I've locked were shut down because too many stupid personal attacks were made. There have been occasions where I've asked certain posters to take a time out (as Chris L, Fenian Bastard and jr did on the PBS thread when asked). There have been occasions where I asked people to knock it off by PM (I won't name names because PMs are supposed to be confidential). There have been occasions where I just erased things and explained myself by PM when requested (this happened a couple of times on the Mike Penner/Christine Daniels thread).

In all of those cases, things cooled down and the threads could continue. In your two cases, things didn't stop. (Again, you weren't the sole reason, some of your opponents were worse.) It's a shame in the most recent one, because I really enjoyed the discussion about property taxes and education. However, it got to a point where people were prolonging the thread simply to rip one another.

That's when it's enough.

Of course, people can always start a new thread if they choose. I'm sure you will be starting another one about yourself soon.

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