This was wrong then...

...When they did it to John Kerry, and it's still wrong now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/05/31/conservative-catholics-or_n_50251.html

When are Catholics going to start taking back their religion from the politicians who have hijacked it?

 

So why were the conservatives opposed to Harriet Miers? Couldn't have been just general incompetence.

 

The track record surely indicates that incompetence has not been a deal-breaker.

 

Considering the originator of the thread, it isn't a surprise that it is an asinine, knee-jerk leftie whine from jump street. It is clever how he through Kerry's name in there as a means of trying to make it seem like this isn't just another one of his silly way off base left-wing rants.

Ask the Pope, who I am guessing should be in touch with what Catholics believe in, how he feels about a Rudy Guiliani presidential bid. Rudy stands for just about everything Catholics oppose or are supposed to oppose, at least from the social issues standpoint.

Catholics SHOULD be opposed to Rudy if they are practicing and are taking their marching orders from the Vatican.

 

From whom do you take your marching orders, Zags?

 

Well considering how much money parents spent sending me to Catholic school and all of the effort the spent forcing me to go to CCD classes - I guess I should say the Pope, or the Archbishop, but I'll be honest in the past ten years I've become very much disillusioned by the men in the funny hats and organized religion in general.

I go to church every week, I volunteer for charity events and give my money to the local fire departments and whatnot when they come calling, so I suppose I'll just say I take my marching orders from the big "G" himself.....

 

Which begs the greater question: Do Catholics consider themselves Catholics first and Americans second or vice-versa? I'm not trying to attack Catholics, but if they follow the word of the Pope first, then aren't they being disloyal to America?

 

No -- unless the Pope starts talking about bombing innocent countries.....oh wait a minute....

Seriously, though, there are better choices for Catholics than Rudy. They can still vote, they can still be involved in the process, so there isn't anything un-American about it.

I would hope that whatever your faith is, you'd think of yourself as a muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist -- first and an American second so as your decisions are made based on the things that line up with your values.

 

Not sure that I'd agree, especially if my faith is controlled or mandated by someone not American. Essentially, if you vote first as a Catholic and second as an American, you're essentially letting the Pope decide what's best for America.

Sorry, but I consider that un-American in all respects. When I was in the military, one inescapable fact was (thankfully) pounded into my thoughts: You're an American first, and everything else second.

We all are (except for the Canucks, of course).

 

Again, are you talking about watering down their message so as to not offend people?

See I see faith and religion as having to draw a line in the sand and say this is right and this is wrong, otherwise why bother?

Why bother being devoted to a faith if you knowlingly and willfully break the rules that you think cramp your lifestyle or your view of what they should or shouldn't be?

Faith SHOULD be absolute, at least from where I sit.

 

Are you? Really? Or are you letting your convictions vote for you?