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This Is The Future

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Flying Headbutt, Jan 15, 2007.

  1. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Don't sweat it. TBF's a smartass to everyone.
     
  2. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    I'm no such thing. Just thought it was funny that he was handing out criticism to the school system with grammar like that.
     
  3. jay_christley

    jay_christley Member

    I've always contended history needs to be taught in how events relate to each other throughout history -- ie. how one event, say the Gutenberg Press, which led to more people having access to the bible, as well as other classical works, which caused other changes in how Europeans lived their lives -- rather than a straight chronological form.
    It's important to know when things happened, to be able to place events in the proper time period.
    But it's far more important to know how events effect how our lives and affect change.
    [Even if I, for the life of me, can't figure out the difference between effect and affect.
    Hope I used them right.]

    The problem with chronology is we spend plenty of time on the early years: Columbus, settlers. the Revolution, the Civil War, etc. Then, come March, we speed through the World Wars, and then go right from WWII to the present in about three weeks. Skews our understanding of history.
     
  4. I'll echo the thoughts on "dated" history vs. recent history and relate my own personal story.

    My wife loved her history teacher in high school, used to talk all the time about how great a teacher he was. One night we were driving in the car, and somehow the topic of Tianamen (sp?) Square came up. My wife had no idea what it was. Not the first clue.

    Which launched an hours-long argument about the merits of said history teacher.
     
  5. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Why is this surprising? The American public education system is an abject failure.
    Americans are not getting a thorough education.
    Geography, English grammar, general literacy, the founding fathers, MLK, WWII, math, science, civics, ancient history, reason, logic, critical thinking — Very few people are learning any of it.
     
  6. novelist_wannabe

    novelist_wannabe Well-Known Member

    I graduated from college in 1988, and I'd say by 1990 I'd concluded that a bachelor degree for my generation was about the same as graduating from high school was for my parents' generation. When they finished hs, you had to go to college to get ahead. When I finished college, you had to go to grad school to get ahead.
     
  7. Hooray4snail

    Hooray4snail Active Member

    Unfortunately many schools have become victims of "teaching to the (standardized) tests." If it's not on the state competency test, it doesn't see the light of day. I've had more than a few discussions with my wife about how the latter half of the 20th century gets glossed over so fast in history classes these days.

    "Class, we only have one more week of school left in the year, so let's thumb through the last 7 chapters of your U.S. history book ... World War II - Pearl Harbor was really bad. Harry Truman said "The Buck Stops Here." And Dewey almost defeated him in the election. JFK was assassinated. Martin Luther King gave his "I Have a Dream Speech" in Washington. Nixon resigned the presidency after something called the Watergate scandal. There was a Cold War. OK, there's the bell. Well, have a good summer and those of you who didn't pass your standardized tests, I'll see you next year."
     
  8. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    It's a long standing problem of priority. We decided the function of the education system was socialization instead of education.
    Even now, I think much of the focus on what American kids know or don't know with regard to recent U.S. history — WWII, MLK, etc. — is an issue of socialization and enculturation rather than an issue of real education. People are concerned that kids don't know things that should be important instead of being concerned that kids have not been taught to think, reason or apply logic, that they haven't been taught how to seek and process information they want or need, that they can't disinguish between information that is useful/important/relevant, and that they don't know how to apply what they have managed to glean.
     
  9. Claws for Concern

    Claws for Concern Active Member

    No Child Left Behind = No Child knows a damn thing about history
     
  10. farmerjerome

    farmerjerome Active Member

    Before work this morning I watching a documentary on Emmitt Till that I'd been meaning to catch for a couple of months.

    The girls at work didn't know who he was.

    Also, one thought we'd hung Osama instead of Saddam. The other didn't realized they'd hung anybody.
     
  11. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    I was in college before I ever had a history class that covered events more recent than the Civil War.
     
  12. Angola!

    Angola! Guest

    I learned some about WWII in high school, but nothing more than D-Day.
     
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