"They Bought the Pennant "

Ashy Larry · Sep 28, 2006

KYSportsWriter said:

Ashy Larry said:

KYSportsWriter said:

Columbo said:

AlleyAllen said:

I'm not a Yankees fan but the thought that the Yankees buying the pennant is a one unique to them is ridiculous. Look at the Houston Astros last year and the year before. They had Pettitte and Clemens (not home grown in the Astros' farm system, at least), Bagwell, Beltran, Kent and more. They grew Berkman, Biggio and Ensberg (I believe), but even their catcher came from the outside.
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The Yankees outspend the next highest team by an ARod.

Yes, it is unique to them in that NO ONE has ever spent so much money, or outspent the second-highest payroll OTHER than the Yankees.
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You can't sit there and tell me that if you had the money Steinbrenner does that you wouldn't spend on the players he has. No one can honestly say they wouldn't.
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talk to the fans of the Royals, their owner has a lot of money and he doesn't see the need to invest in the product.
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That's his own damn problem. Steinbrenner does the exact opposite.
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I'm agreeing with you....Steinbrenner is a great owner and spends to get players, but that doesn't guarantee anything.

Starman · Sep 28, 2006

Smasher_Sloan said:

The value of TV rights is dictated mostly by the size of the market, not whether or not the team is good.

If everybody in KC is watching the Royals games, it still doesn't make the rights worth as much as they are in NY if a quarter of the people are watching the Yankees.

So dispel yourselves of the notion that a big year in Pittsburgh or Cincinnati will jump TV rights fees to anything approaching a Yankees level.
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Not to Yankees levels, but TV rights fees are indeed based on how attractive a viewing property a team's games are perceived to be -usually a direct correlation to W-L record.

If the team is a big winner (or more importantly, was a big winner the season before), more and more people want to watch the games, ratings go up, and thus commercial time becomes more valuable.

When the team sucks hind titty for years and years, as in the case of the Royals and Pirates, and the Tigers up until this year, TV viewership is poor, and thus commercial time must be sold at lower rates.

Spend money to make money.

Smasher_Sloan · Sep 28, 2006

There isn't that big a swing. I would be willing to wager the Pirates aren't getting appreciably more money for TV rights than they did when they were winning division titles in the early '90s.

And even then it's a small fraction of what the Yankees can command in NY.

You're still selling advertising in a much smaller market. The No. 1 TV station in New York has a hell of a lot more revenue than the No. 1 station in Pittsburgh, which generates a lot more than the No. 1 station in Evansville, IN.

BYH · Sep 28, 2006

Columbo said:

I didn't look up Wang because it usually takes a hunk of change to bring players over from SE Asia (now you're going to tell me he was born and raised in Hoboken).

OK, the Yankees, playing with the same resources as everyone else, would get to keep him, too.

The Howard supposition was obviously not stated with any authority, begging someone who licks Selig's balls and knows the numbers backward and forward to post whether it was true or not.
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You're right. No other team in baseball signs international free agents. Only the Yankees!

Wang could have been had as a throw-in to any one of the big deals the Yankees made before May 2005. Nobody else wanted him. I guess the inability of anyone to see this guy as a groundball machine is another example of how unfair the Yankees have made baseball?

As for the Howard thing, a.) nobody despises Selig more than I do and b.) for a guy in journalism, you're not very inquisitive. I wish I had a dime for every time you assumed something and then, when someone pointed out you were wrong, either denigrated that person (hello Chris L) or said oh, well, I didn't care enough to look it up in the first place. I might have enough $$$ to pay Wang's salary this year.

And again: For all the extra $$$ Cashman has had the last six seasons, he's got as many World Series titles in that span as Terry Ryan. And the Patriots, in the happily socialistic NFL, have three crowns.

My head hurts. Bashing it against a wall is not good for it, I guess.

Boom_70 · Sep 28, 2006

BYH said:

Columbo said:

I didn't look up Wang because it usually takes a hunk of change to bring players over from SE Asia (now you're going to tell me he was born and raised in Hoboken).

OK, the Yankees, playing with the same resources as everyone else, would get to keep him, too.

The Howard supposition was obviously not stated with any authority, begging someone who licks Selig's balls and knows the numbers backward and forward to post whether it was true or not.
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You're right. No other team in baseball signs international free agents. Only the Yankees!

Wang could have been had as a throw-in to any one of the big deals the Yankees made before May 2005. Nobody else wanted him. I guess the inability of anyone to see this guy as a groundball machine is another example of how unfair the Yankees have made baseball?

As for the Howard thing, a.) nobody despises Selig more than I do and b.) for a guy in journalism, you're not very inquisitive. I wish I had a dime for every time you assumed something and then, when someone pointed out you were wrong, either denigrated that person (hello Chris L) or said oh, well, I didn't care enough to look it up in the first place. I might have enough $$$ to pay Wang's salary this year.

And again: For all the extra $$$ Cashman has had the last six seasons, he's got as many World Series titles in that span as Terry Ryan. And the Patriots, in the happily socialistic NFL, have three crowns.

My head hurts. Bashing it against a wall is not good for it, I guess.
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BYH said:

Columbo said:

I didn't look up Wang because it usually takes a hunk of change to bring players over from SE Asia (now you're going to tell me he was born and raised in Hoboken).

OK, the Yankees, playing with the same resources as everyone else, would get to keep him, too.

The Howard supposition was obviously not stated with any authority, begging someone who licks Selig's balls and knows the numbers backward and forward to post whether it was true or not.
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You're right. No other team in baseball signs international free agents. Only the Yankees!

Wang could have been had as a throw-in to any one of the big deals the Yankees made before May 2005. Nobody else wanted him. I guess the inability of anyone to see this guy as a groundball machine is another example of how unfair the Yankees have made baseball?

As for the Howard thing, a.) nobody despises Selig more than I do and b.) for a guy in journalism, you're not very inquisitive. I wish I had a dime for every time you assumed something and then, when someone pointed out you were wrong, either denigrated that person (hello Chris L) or said oh, well, I didn't care enough to look it up in the first place. I might have enough $$$ to pay Wang's salary this year.

And again: For all the extra $$$ Cashman has had the last six seasons, he's got as many World Series titles in that span as Terry Ryan. And the Patriots, in the happily socialistic NFL, have three crowns.

My head hurts. Bashing it against a wall is not good for it, I guess.
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Wow - I've never known you to be a Yankee apoligist. Nice work

BYH · Sep 28, 2006

Haha Boomer you know I long ago buried my contempt for the Yankees.

It has been replaced by contempt for those who blame the Yankees for all that is "wrong" with baseball. And there's so much wrong with baseball that it's the only major sport with six different champs in the last six years.

Boom_70 · Sep 28, 2006

BYH said:

Haha Boomer you know I long ago buried my contempt for the Yankees.

It has been replaced by contempt for those who blame the Yankees for all that is "wrong" with baseball. And there's so much wrong with baseball that it's the only major sport with six different champs in the last six years.
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You have lost your edge - too much time around Yankee fans - Better check for Stockholm Syndrome

hockeybeat · Sep 28, 2006

Boom_70 said:

Melky Cabrera plays key roll
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What sort of roll, Boom? Kaiser?

Oh. Wait. You meant role.

Nevermind. Carry on.

Boom_70 · Sep 28, 2006

hockeybeat said:

Boom_70 said:

Melky Cabrera plays key roll
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What sort of roll, Boom? Kaiser?

Oh. Wait. You meant role.

Nevermind. Carry on.
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hey look what the cat dragged in . figured a Yankee thread would smoke you out stranger

Buck · Sep 28, 2006

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BYH · Sep 28, 2006

God bless you, Buck.

But beware of Columbo's wraith. You'll hear words you've never even heard on the NIAFL board.

Columbo · Sep 28, 2006

BYH said:

Columbo said:

I didn't look up Wang because it usually takes a hunk of change to bring players over from SE Asia (now you're going to tell me he was born and raised in Hoboken).

OK, the Yankees, playing with the same resources as everyone else, would get to keep him, too.

The Howard supposition was obviously not stated with any authority, begging someone who licks Selig's balls and knows the numbers backward and forward to post whether it was true or not.
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You're right. No other team in baseball signs international free agents. Only the Yankees!

Wang could have been had as a throw-in to any one of the big deals the Yankees made before May 2005. Nobody else wanted him. I guess the inability of anyone to see this guy as a groundball machine is another example of how unfair the Yankees have made baseball?

As for the Howard thing, a.) nobody despises Selig more than I do and b.) for a guy in journalism, you're not very inquisitive. I wish I had a dime for every time you assumed something and then, when someone pointed out you were wrong, either denigrated that person (hello Chris L) or said oh, well, I didn't care enough to look it up in the first place. I might have enough $$$ to pay Wang's salary this year.

And again: For all the extra $$$ Cashman has had the last six seasons, he's got as many World Series titles in that span as Terry Ryan. And the Patriots, in the happily socialistic NFL, have three crowns.

My head hurts. Bashing it against a wall is not good for it, I guess.
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How many WS appearances does Ryan have?

ALCS?

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