The I word.

No, I just hear so much baloney from both sides about this thing, and no one's willing -- or trying hard enough -- to do a fucking thing about it.

Twatwaffles, the whole lot of 'em.

I think we misunderstood each other, so, we're tied at 1.

 

Of course, the bil he vetoed would have funded the war. So the choice is, for the moment, give him everything he wants and become further complicit in his catastrophe or, send him a bill he vetoes and then fail to override it.
What would you have the Democrats do?

 

I'd hope they (that's both sides of the aisle) work a little harder to try and find a bill that he'd sign.

 

He won't sign any bill that doesn't give him precisely what he wants. Period.
That's what the last 2 weeks have been about.

 

Here is what I think will happen. They'll send him another bill, he'll veto, the override will fail. Then they will sit down and put in "benchmarks." These benchmarks will be as concrete as Jello and they will be vague enough that when the time comes, the President will be able to say "This benchmark has been met, so we need to stay to see the job through" and Pelosi/Reid will be able to say, "This benchmark has not been met, so lets get outta there," and both will be able to make a prima facie case for their statements. And because he is the Commander in Chief, Bush wins that stalemate. The President will have weaseled into a way to get what he wants and the end result will be no different than what would have happened if the Republicans were still in charge.

If the Democrats had any gumption, they would follow Edwards' advice and keep sending Bush the same bill over and over again. Do what Newt Gingrich would have done circa 1995 -- dig a trench and refuse to move -- and make Bush do an act of Clintonian political magic to get himself out of the mess.

 

The point being that Bush doesn't have the mad skillz of Bill?
Maybe. I like what Edwards is saying, too. The country? I'm not so sure.

 

If the D's did what Edwards want, and the WH went fullcourt with the "D's hate the troops, want them to die over there, boogedy-boogedy!" meme, would the country buy it? I honestly don't know.

 

Well, if you are right that 70% of America opposes this war, how is digging in and forcing Bush's hand not going to be viewed favorably by the country?

 

Logic says you're right. My instincts say you're right. So, I guess my answer is, fuck it, do what you think is right and let the chips fall, which is the Edwards position.
I just don't know if you're right. This country ceased behaving logically a couple of years back.

 

If the Dems defunded the war, I would say great, you finally did something instead of posturing and stirring up the $hi+. I might not agree with it at all, but that's why we have elections. Then again, my guy lost the last two prez elections, so what do I know...