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The HGH Lie?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by creamora, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Or having their vision improved with Lasik surgery. Maybe the real story is why aren't athletes, particularly professional athletes, allowed to use substances like hGH under a physician's care. Many of the substances work well and promote healing and recovery. Players want to be on the field to perform, fans want to see them perform and club owners want to recoup the huge investments they make in the athletes. In the long run it's healthier to have the substances being dispensed under well-supervised and well-documented conditions rather than being forced underground.
     
  2. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    Hey Creamora?
    The link that started this thread does not work.
     
  3. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    From WebMD, legal:

    Regarding legal issues, the Code of Federal Regulations expressly forbids the off label use of hGH. Thus, unless practitioners are prescribing hGH for treatment of growth retardation in children, physical wasting in AIDS patients or for properly diagnosed growth hormone deficiency in adults, they are at risk for reprimand by the DEA, FDA and Board(s) of Medicine.

    Are there a lot of professional ballplayers in any of these three circumstances, Boom?




    From Web MD, off label application:

    WebMD Medical News
    Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

    Jan. 16, 2007 -- Older Americans taking shots of human growth hormone in an effort to turn back the clock will likely be disappointed.

    As an antiaging treatment, the hormones appear to offer few benefits but significant health risks, a review of the research finds.

    Stanford University researchers came to this conclusion after analyzing 31 studies that included a total of more than 500 relatively healthy elderly people.

    The only clearly positive effect found from taking the hormones was a slight improvement in lean body mass.

    On the negative side, participants who took human growth hormones were significantly more likely to develop joint swelling and pain, and carpal tunnel syndrome.

    There was also a suggestion of an increased risk of diabetes and prediabetes, but that association did not reach statistical significance.

    Authors of the review say better studies are needed to understand the risks and benefits of human growth hormone as an antiaging treatment.

    But they say studies do not support the use of human growth hormones for this reason.

    "If the benefits truly are minimal, and the risks are not, this is not a therapy that should be used for antiaging purposes," Hau Liu, MD, MBA, MPH tells WebMD.
    Use Growing Among Elderly

    Growth hormone is naturally produced in the pituitary gland at the base of the brain, but its levels decline with age.

    Promoters of synthetic growth hormone as an antiaging treatment claim the hormones can do everything from firm sagging skin to boost a sagging libido.

    According to government figures, between 25,000 and 30,000 Americans used growth hormones for aging purposes in 2004. That is a tenfold increase in about a decade, Thomas T. Perls, MD, tells WebMD.
    Costly Treatment

    "The cost of this treatment can be $12,000 a year or more, but even if you take the cost out of the equation, there is still a huge potential for causing harm," Perls says. "The people promoting this stuff have absolutely no idea what the long-term health effects are."

    Because human growth hormone has not been approved for use as an antiaging treatment by federal regulators, Perls argues that doctors who prescribe it for this purpose are breaking the law.

    He first made that charge in a report published in The Journal of the American Medical Association in late 2005.

    Perls' report prompted Liu and colleagues to conduct their review of the research on human growth hormone as an antiaging treatment.
    No Fountain of Youth

    The researchers limited their review to randomized, controlled clinical trials that included relatively healthy elderly people.

    The participants used growth hormone for an average of about six months.

    While growth hormone did appear to increase lean muscle mass and reduce body fat by an average of just over 4 pounds, it did not appear to have an effect on other measures of fitness, including bone density, cholesterol, and lipid levels.

    "From our review, there's not data to suggest that growth hormone prolongs life, and none of the studies make that claim," Liu says.

    Liu tells WebMD he was surprised to find so little research has been done on the use of growth hormones in the elderly population -- especially since so many claims have been made about the treatment's benefits.

    But he says he understands why people believe the hype.

    "Elderly people today are very health conscious and they are trying to do all they can to take care of themselves," Liu says. "But our conclusion is that growth hormone does not represent a magic bullet or the fountain of youth."
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Boom, The FDA regulates use of HGH. There are NO GUIDELINES that would make prescribing HGH for a perfectly healthy, young athlete without a pituitary gland issue, AIDs or short bowel syndrome, legal. It's why the doctors getting caught handing out these prescriptions at "anti-aging" clinics are getting nailed, having their licenses taken away and in some cases are going to prison. A doctor can not ignore what the FDA approves a drug for and prescribe it to people who don't meet those criteria. Such a prescription is ILLEGAL, not legal. And in fact, most of these quacks, like the ones supplying these mlb players in the latest scandal, never even met with the players. They were just writing the prescriptions by the hundreds to make a buck and submitting them to these internet pharmacies.

    As for the health risks being overblown, I am not an expert, but I have read enough things about HGH to wonder what the health risks actually are--everything from cartilage degeneration to impaired memory and early senility are being studied, as well as increased risk of certain kinds of cancer (in fairness, there are claims that growth hormone actually reduces risk of other kinds of cancer). But there is enough unknown, and enough legitimate doctors (not these quacks handing out prescriptions with bogus claims) raising red flags that there is a reason why the FDA is regulating this stuff and making sure it is only prescribed for VERY SPECIFIC uses in the cases of people with hormone deficiencies. It's illegal for a doctor to give the prescription for other reasons (i.e. a baseball player who wants to bulk up).

    Here is one site (written by legitimate MDs) that dispels some of these BS notions these quack doctors in Florida are planting in people's heads about the drug. Either way, the FDA has approved the drug for three specific uses, so any doctor who ignores that and prescribes it to an athlete is not giving that athlete a legal prescription:

    http://www.antiagingquackery.com/
     
  5. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    you sure love you some professional athletes, don't you? can't get enough of 'em, can you?

    btw - wasn't the same once said about steroids?
    that is all.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Boom, the FDA has approved the drug for 1) people with pituitary gland issues that keep them from growing, 2) People with AIDS-related issues and 3) People with short bowel syndrome. You expect to find pro athletes suffering from those things walking around with legal prescriptions for HGH? Why? Because of all the 4' 3" baseball players? Or the ones wasting away from AIDs? Any HGH prescription written for any other reason is illegal. If a doctor gets caught passing out such prescription, his or her license is getting yanked. But either way, pro athletes know what is banned. They get briefed on this stuff ad nauseum. If there was any chance--however unlikely, because those maladies would keep someone from competing at a pro athlete's level--a player has a legitimate prescription for HGH, you don't think he would go to his sport and explain and try to get an exemption? MLB gave Adam Laroche an exemption from its ban on ritalin when he had a legitimate reason for taking the drug.
     
  7. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Most older folks who use HGH fully realize that no drug reverses the aging process and were never expecting HGH would improve "bone density, cholesterol, and lipid levels." It probably doesn't turn their lungs bright pink, either.

    On the other hand, I think a lot of older folks use HGH with the hope of maintaining leaner, firmer, more muscular bodies. It not only makes them look better, it makes them stronger and more able to enjoy their sixties, seventies and eighties and nineties.
     
  8. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    people such as cranberry, jvd, rok and creamy believe sports are entertainment and entertainment alone ... hence, many fucked up premises.

    i think we all should realize that point before we respond to their fanboy-like posts.
     
  9. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    Oh, I think you'd be surprised at what most folks don't "fully realize" -- which is why advertising works. And in the case of these "anti-aging" HGH regimens, the "Fountain of Youth" and "Forever Young" claims are pretty extraordinary.

    Declining bone density, and loss of bone mass, in older women is a huge problem. And the idea that you'd lose a couple of pounds and gain some lean muscle mass while leaving high cholesterol or lipid problems untouched - the markers for cardiovascular risk - flies in the face of HGH being a comprehensive "wonder" treatment." "Vigor!" and "energy!" and "youthful appearance!" -- which is how it's now being sold -- would seem to me the red flags of the snake-oil salesman.

    And as Mencken said, you'll never go poor by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
     
  10. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    What are sports, if not entertainment?
    Just asking, honest.
     
  11. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    Good question.

    And Cremora's condescension aside, I'm wondering about the thread title. Is "The HGH Lie?" a reference to that Kolsky piece? Or the fact that there's no reliable testing protocol for HGH yet? Or that sports journalists everywhere are lying about it?

    Questions, questions.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    JG, They will come up with a blood test. It's a matter of time. And even though you can't start banning athletes based on this kind of test, you can draw blood and tell if guys have ridiculously elevated levels of growth hormone compared to norms, which is a pretty good clue that a guy is using. If mlb was serious about a drug testing program, and the PA was feeling enough pressure regarding the legitimacy of what it's players are doing on the field, they would have the players submitting to blood tests today. The blood would be stored, and a year or two or three down the road when they hone the test, all of the old samples would be tested. Such a policy wouldn't eradicate what is going on, but it would probably curtail things a little.
     
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