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The branding of Bud

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by boots, May 14, 2007.

  1. boots

    boots New Member

    Scheduling could play an important factor as to whether or not he is there. However, if he doesn't acknowledge the record he's going to branded one way. If he acknowleges the record, he'll be braneded another way. Mr. Lizard can't win.
  2. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I believe Bud had absolutely no idea about McGwire other than that he was taking a legal supplement called androstenedione that was readily available at a GNC near you. That Bud and all of baseball's top executives knew is the biggest fallacy that gets reported over and over and over. You can suggest they should have known or that people closer to the pulse of the clubhouse (GMs, managers, coaches) should have told them. But, like the rest of us, they weren't casting suspicion on specific players. Bud goes to a lot of baseball games but he spends far less time in clubhouses than your average sports columnist. Skilled observers like Mike Lupica were writing books glorifying the likes of McGwire and Sosa but somehow an old man who never goes into the clubhouse was supposed to be able to pick up on it? Doesn't make sense.

    I do believe that a lot of people within baseball were too close to notice the physical changes in players. It's sort of like noticing a change in a person you haven't seen in a long time. The person's husband/wife might not notice the same thing because the change took place gradually and he/she sees the person every day.

    No, everybody didn't know. Not reporters, not baseball executives.
  3. He can say -- "Hey, I was at Miller Park being amazed at what's been happening with the franchise that my family and I spent decades trying to run into the ground."

    Or not.
  4. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    What Bud should say:

    "I told my wife I wouldn't. Besides, I got a big day tomorrow. You guys have a great time."

    Reporter: A big day? Doing what?

    "Well, um, actually a pretty nice little Saturday, we're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time. "
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Lots of people had suspicions, including many reporters. And lots of baseball execs knew, even if they weren't confronting players directly because of the "see no evil, hear no evil" approach prevalent at the time. I'm not sure how to characterize you if you really believe that it wasn't the worst-kept secret in baseball at the time, and you honestly believe Selig had no idea.

    The reporters who were talking about it--and there were MANY--didn't have the proof to write about it and to an extent were riding the feel good stories too hard to be chasing the negative story. Just about everyone else throughout baseball knew what was going on, though. They have no reason to fess up now, because they make themselves complicit. But Kevin Towers, who is at least honest, pretty much summed it up when Ken Caminiti died. "I feel somewhat guilty, because I felt like I knew. I still don't know for sure, but Cammy came out and said that he used steroids, and I suspected. Selfishly, the guy was putting up numbers, and I didn't do anything about it. That's just the truth." ... "The truth is, we're in a competitive business,and these guys were putting up big numbers and helping your ballclub win games. You tended to turn your head on things. ... I hate to be the one voice for the other 29 GMs, but I'd have to imagine that all of them, at one point or other, had reason to think that a player on their ballclub was probably using, based on body changes and things that happened over the winter."
  6. jagtrader

    jagtrader Active Member



  7. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Bud Selig and all of the sniveling baseball writers didn't seem to care about swelling heads and biceps and unnaturally looking men back when home runs were "saving" baseball in 1998 thus, he, along with all of the baseball writers, are hypocrites now that the game is in a better place and thus they are acting like they give a shit about steroids.
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Baseball writers sniveled?
  9. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Like now, I was in clubhouses on a near daily basis in 1998, talking regularly with many, many other writers as well as players. Sorry to break the news to you but it wasn't a hot topic among baseball writers or players at the time. Not even close. Personally, I recall seeing one player that year (not McGwire) and wondering based on the acne on his back. I never voiced the thought because, well, sometimes acne is just acne. After about 30 seconds, I moved on to whatever it was I was there to write about.

    Two or three stories over about 10 years doesn't equate to everybody knowing. Kevin Towers (and, perhaps other GMs, assistant GMs) was certainly a lot closer to the situation than most of us so I wouldn't doubt his sincerity for a moment. However, Selig (like other top-level execs) didn't go in clubhouses and, frankly, only goes on the field a handful of times over the course of a season.
  10. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Of course there were no suspicions - people were too busy waxing poetic about Sammy and Marky and their home run chase and what it was doing to bring fans back to the grand old game......
  11. jakewriter82

    jakewriter82 Active Member

    If Bud would just stop pussyfooting and do what the Onion reported he already did he wouldn't have this problem..

  12. And, Jeebus, enough with Caminiti. He took steroids. He also took enough cocaine, as Robin Williams puts it in Good Will Hunting, to kill a small horse. The cocaine killed his ass. He has less in common with Barry Bonds than he does with Len Bias.
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