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Thank the Wall Street speculators for high gas prices

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by micropolitan guy, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    So, experts who have worked in the financial end of the oil industry for decades, the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the Saudis, President Obama, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission are all full of crap and don't know what they're talking about when it comes to the role of speculators in artificially inflating oil prices, in a time of lagging demand and ample supplies?

    Interesting.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Here's the thing, profits are only on paper until you close out of your trade.

    Every "speculator" who goes long crude oil futures has to eventually sell their position to take their profit.

    If the market overextended itself, due to speculators, it might spike higher, but would eventually settle off to a fair price. And then, the "speculators' would get killed when they all tried to dump their positions.

    The fact this hasn't happened is evidence in and of itself that oil is trading at a fair market price.

    The only way for "speculators" to keep the price high would be for them to keep buying. That's not sustainable. You end up with a huge position you can't get out of.
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    And, if you think big speculators never get fucked trading energy products, google Metallgesellschaft AG.

    They lost big.
     
  4. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    Could we just re-title this "Baiting Ragu."
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not really feeling all that baited. But there are some master baiters on this board.
     
  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    ^^^^^ That's brilliant. If a bit short-winded.
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

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  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Goldman Sachs Admits Record Speculation To Blame For Skyrocketing Gas Prices

    By Brad Johnson on Apr 13, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Saying that “net speculative positions are four times as high as in June 2008,” investment banker Goldman Sachs “issued a warning that the price of oil has grown out of control due to excessive speculation.” The world’s largest commodity trader, Goldman Sachs told its clients that it believed speculators like itself had artificially driven the price of oil at least $20 higher than supply and demand dictate. They even admitted that their work to drive up prices has harmed the American economic recovery, pointing to “nascent signs of oil demand destruction in the US.”
     
  9. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

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    Clearly speculative trading has been a factor in price rise of oil
     
  10. NoOneLikesUs

    NoOneLikesUs Active Member

    Matt Taibbi kicked ass on this in Griftopia:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=sWh4w7na6ncC&lpg=PP1&dq=matt%20taibbi&pg=PA124#v=onepage&q&f=false
     
  11. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    Take Ragu's word for it. No need to check his work.
     
  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I'll be glad to check out any alternative scenario anyone wants to float. Well, anything other than, "Ouch, this hurts. Somebody I don't like must be at fault."
     
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