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Teacher tenure upheld in California

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by cranberry, Apr 15, 2016.

  1. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I'm sure the Koch brothers and Campbell Brown and the rest of the school privatization movement will be all sorts of upset that the dumbass lower court decision in Vergara v. California was overturned, but it represented the kind of "judicial activism" that conservatives hate unless it supports one of their pet causes...

  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    We've lost some good young teachers at our school over the years while keeping some truly awful ones in place, so parents and principals could continue to deal with those headaches year after year.

    Good to see we get to keep doing that!
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  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    This might sound crazy, but perhaps they could: a) negotiate better contracts, b) do a better job hiring, and c) better document cases against those they want to fire?
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Documenting the cases is useless. In the best-case scenario, it takes years (which means hundreds of kids subjected to that education). Also it's entirely possible that these teachers were good when they were hired and then hit burnout, I don't know, but it isn't like it's the same principal in charge.

    So we could also move out underperforming employees. But, you know, that would be horrible. What employer does that?
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  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I'll rest easier knowing we're not reducing the life expectancy of shitty teachers in California.
  6. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    How fitting that cranberry celebrates a decision that's horrible for children and the country's future.
  7. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    He's laser-focused on improving the system.
  8. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    We should make it easier to fire bad teachers by making it easy to fire every teacher.

    Or administration could do its job better.
  9. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

  10. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Even copy editors who don't do any work can keep their jobs.
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Should policies regarding tenure be revised in many cases? Absolutely. Districts need to do a better job determining which teachers deserve tenure and which do not. If it is too hard to get a bad teacher fired in your district, the district did a shitty job negotiating with the union.

    Tenure isn't guaranteed job security. It is a guaranteed process to deal with the potential dismissal of a teacher. Aside from the fact that the loss of tenure does more to make good teacher vulnerable than bad ones, you are also looking at yet another change that would make the profession less attractive to people entering the job market.

    But we have folks like Tony who are anti-union and more than happy to see the public education system scuttled, anyway, and happy to use misleading data to drive the discussion rather than search for real solutions to improving education in this country. Teachers and administrators are easy political targets, which is why they are often under fire from both sides of the political aisle.
  12. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Yes, the public education system is such a gem right now. Let's definitely keep it just as it is.
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