1. Welcome to SportsJournalists.com, a friendly forum for discussing all things sports and journalism.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register for a free account to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Access to private conversations with other members.
    • Fewer ads.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

State of the business is dismal, as we know, and yet ...

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by old_tony, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. KJIM

    KJIM Well-Known Member

    Can you back this up? Define "all-time high?" "Always want more"?

    I see more stuff being available, but that's different than a people demanding it. If half of it went away, no one would notice.

    I'm international, so it's hard for me to follow my sports team, but all I do is read the local paper or the AP story after a game.

    There's only so many ways you can read or listen to someone regurgitate the same information.
     
  2. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    The free alternative is generally worth what you pay for it, too.
     
  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I mean, there's nobody at NFL.com, Yahoo, ESPN, Fox or SI that I'd like to read on football.
     
  4. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    None of them are Bob McGinn or Tom Silverstein if you're following the Packers.
     
  5. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Who? Seriously, for a free-market guy like you, I'd think you'd understand the issue.
     
  6. Kato

    Kato Well-Known Member

    Newspapers aren't alone here. There's an entire generation of people who want all of their media content for free: music, movies and, yes, what they read online. They'll pay for their internet and phone service (which really adds up) and, from there, they almost expect free. There are young people in our newsroom who get together to watch recently released movies in their homes. Illegally streamed, but they don't seem to care. We all know what's happened with music.

    Yes, newspapers made the mistake of giving away content for free for too long, but, you're right, that ship has sailed. What I don't get is why we haven't been able to sell more advertising on the web, at least enough to make what we do work. We were recently told at our shop that online revenue was up but still represented only about 15% of total revenue. Meanwhile, the 85% on the print side was way down.

    Circulation is also way down, so it's silly to expect that subscriptions will be the main way to support the company. Subscriptions and sales have never been the chief source of revenue. It wasn't all that long ago that a daily paper could be purchased for 50 cents. We never gave it away but we didn't ask much for it. Now, it has to make up for the loss of classified ads, national car ads and other big-ticket ads that have gone away. What would happen if Sunday inserts ever went away?!?!?

    I mentioned earlier an entire generation but it's really carried over to people of all ages. My parents don't subscribe to a paper anymore, something I was shocked about the last time I was home. And even I, who should be more supportive of newspaper content, know all the work-arounds to get read Bob McGinn's stuff (which I used to pay for, actually, when it was a separate item from the whole JS): different browsers, different devices, etc.. Same with reading the NYT.
     
    I Should Coco likes this.
  7. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    In some cases it's as easy as deleting your cookies. And most everyone knows the work-arounds.

    In a fantasy day-dream (heck, maybe there's a movie screenplay in it) I can imagine "stealing" things from the Internet is one of the sins people are called to answer for at the Pearly Gates. Hell would be filling up more quickly than ever.

    Maybe newspapers could do a "Thou Shalt Not Steal" ad campaign on their websites. It's as plain as day in the Ten Commandments.
     
  8. Fredrick

    Fredrick Well-Known Member

    Of course your parents don't subscribe anymore? Why the hell would anybody subscribe to newspapers that once were great and now are gutted?? No reason to subscribe; none at all. Plus if for some reason there's something worth reading you can still get it free online for the most part. There's absolutely no reason to subscribe. But the publishers and editors can just shrug and say, "Nobody reads print anymore. It's a new age. People want it on their phones." Of course they don't read print -- the editors and publishers DESTROYED print long ago by putting out these tiny publications they call newspapers. And it is FREE online. What part of that is hard for publishers to understand?? They dug their own newspaper graves.
     
    old_tony likes this.
  9. Bradley Guire

    Bradley Guire Well-Known Member

    At HS football practice today for interviews. Player's mom: "When does the preview come out? I don't get the paper so I have to ask around about the football preview."

    This probably should stop bothering me since it's now the status quo when I talk to folks.
     
  10. Kato

    Kato Well-Known Member

    Part of point is this: We wail and gnash our teeth constantly about the free content and act like that was the big downfall of newspapers. We seem to be hellbent on getting those folks back paying for the product, as if the individual subscriber is going to make up for what's been lost in advertising.

    I'm not so sure if putting up a paywall from the very beginning would have done a lot. We'd still be competing against the things you can get for free, whether it's content, or ads. (Believe it or not, people do pick up the paper for more than just news; using my dad again as an example, he'd go straight to the car ads on Saturdays before looking at the rest of the paper. Guess where he looks for cars now: eBay and Craigslist).

    Here's one area where I really think we've dropped the ball on this: Marking not to teens and college kids but to young professionals, families and new-home buyers. The housing boom would have been a great time to push subscriptions, making people think getting the daily paper was as important as getting the phone, cable and internet hooked up on Day 1. I don't think that happened.
     
    murphyc likes this.
  11. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I think a paywall from the beginning would have been a good start for newspapers. Whether it would have lasted is a pure guess now, but it would have shown some backbone.

    Then again, who the hell knew back then? I can still remember the meeting in the bureau of my major-metro in Florida when the publisher said our stories would be available for free online as a sort of supplement to the paid printed version. Did anyone raise their hand and wonder if this might not be a good idea? No, it sounded like somewhat of a novelty (especially in a rural area surrounded by old people who loved the paper and likely rarely used computers). And it stayed a novelty for quite a while.
     
  12. You must be a great person to work with.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page