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Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Just the facts ma am, Oct 16, 2015.

  1. Just the facts ma am

    Just the facts ma am Active Member

    In defense of Mike and Mike (10/16):

    They tore the Dodgers a new one re. not covering third base.

    They concurred that Donnie would and should be fired.

    They speculated that Ethier should have dropped the foul ball that allowed a runner to to tag and score.
  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    You can make some good points and still have an overall unlistenable show.
    Doc Holliday and Liut like this.
  3. DSzymborski

    DSzymborski New Member

    I missed like an inning of that game arguing that Ethier should have dropped the foul ball with people on Twitter who disagreed.
  4. ChrisLong

    ChrisLong Well-Known Member

    I've seen a lot comments about whether Ethier should have purposely dropped it.
    Absolutely not, at that point in the game.
    It was the fourth inning, way too early to give away outs (look at how many outs the Blue Jays got against the Rangers in the seventh inning). The Dodgers had threatened every inning and were a hit away on several occasions from some scoring innings.
    I messaged a old coaching friend, who works in the Rockies organization. I said I didn't think Ethier should have dropped it on purpose. He said, "Same because I didn't know that Familia & Syndergaard would be unhitable for 3 innings."
    Incidentally, I covered a JC playoff game many years ago that ended in the bottom of the 10th. One out, runner on third, foul fly down the left field line. The left fielder tore over and made a diving catch while he skidded into the bullpen. Runner on third tagged up and trotted in. It was a great, game-losing play. That would be the only situation where you intentionally don't catch one.
  5. DSzymborski

    DSzymborski New Member

    I disagree very strongly as the count is a very big deal. There's about a 75% chance that on an 0-2 count, d'Arnaud makes an out that doesn't successfully advance anyone - it's not trading a run for an out, it's trading a run for a *quarter* of an out simply because batters are absolutely terrible after 0-2 counts. Even the best two-strike guy I can ever remember seeing, Tony Gwynn, had a career .575 OPS after an 0-2 count. On a 2-0 or 3-0 count, the risk/reward changes significantly. You can't trade getting the pitcher out (that's about how one would expect d'Arnaud to hit against Greinke on an 0-2 count) for a run in a close game in any inning.
  6. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    I can totally see Ethier sitting down, breaking out his laptop to process all of that data, maybe sipping a latte, while the ball is hurtling toward him.
  7. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    I understand not wanting to give up an out, but I really think he should have let the foul ball go. The odds of getting out of the inning (75% or more?) are far better than throwing Murphy out at the plate (almost nil).
  8. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Eh. It's the fourth inning. Maybe in the 7th or later you let it drop.
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  9. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Was the infield playing in?
  10. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday Well-Known Member

    My first thought was to let it drop. Science has proven that our initial thoughts are almost always correct. It's when we second guess ourselves that we screw up. I was right. He should have dropped it.
  11. ChrisLong

    ChrisLong Well-Known Member

    You were wrong, he should have caught it. The reasons are stated above. Go back and read them.
  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Science has proven that?
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