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Softball scoring question

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by RedCanuck, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. fossywriter8

    fossywriter8 Well-Known Member

    Simon,
    As your question asked and my post stated, if the catcher DROPS the third strike and the batter reaches first, it is recorded as K-E2.
     
  2. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    No, fossy, it is not.
    It is either a passed ball or a wild pitch...the rule is cited earlier in the thread.
    It would only be an error if the catcher threw wildly to first base and the official scorer judged that a good throw would have retired the batter.
     
  3. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Then, what would normally be a wild pitch in the same circumstance would have to be a K-E1.
     
  4. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Simon, as has been stated about 10 times already, it is ether K-PB or K-WP. NO ERROR!
     
  5. fossywriter8

    fossywriter8 Well-Known Member

    No, you guys obviously missed the part in Simon's question about the CATCHER DROPPING THE THIRD STRIKE.
    His question had nothing to do with a passed ball or wild pitch, but the CATCHER DROPPING THE THIRD STRIKE.
    When the CATCHER DROPS THE THIRD STRIKE AND THE BATTER REACHES FIRST, the ruling is K-E2. It is not K-E1, because the pitcher didn't make the error (whether or not the pitcher should be charged with an error on a wild pitch is for another discussion).
    The batter reaching first on a third strike because a passed ball or a wild pitch is a different situation.
     
  6. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    Catcher is credited with a passed ball.
    Since the ball wasn't struck and came off of a pitched ball, there is no error. A catcher can not be credited with an error off of a pitch. Period.
     
  7. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    What Slappy said. Catcher dropping a pitch is not EVER an error. It is a passed ball.

    Unless, as I said earlier, he picks up the ball and throws it away when--in the judgment of the official scorer--the batter would have been out at first base.
     
  8. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    And if you want to see Simon's head explode, ask if a run scores because of it does it become an earned run or unearned run... ;)
     
  9. spnited

    spnited Active Member


    You're gonna make Fossy's head explode, too.

    He still hasn't grasped the "not an E-2" concept yet.
     
  10. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    Buh, buh, buh,... what if the runner steals home and the pitcher pitches anna catcher drops the ball anna run scores....
     
  11. fossywriter8

    fossywriter8 Well-Known Member

    Slappy and Simon,
    Just checked the full rule. You are correct, I am wrong. Mea culpa.
    I was remembering what my high school coach (WAAYY back in the day) had us put in the book in that instance.

    Rule 10.13 explains it a bit more. My bad.

    10.13 WILD PITCHES AND PASSED BALLS
    A wild pitch is defined in Rule 2.00 (Wild Pitch). A passed ball is a statistic
    charged against a catcher whose action has caused a runner or runners to advance, as set forth in this Rule 10.13.
    (a) The official scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. The official scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball touches the ground or home plate before reaching the catcher and is not handled by the catcher, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, the official scorer shall score a strikeout and a wild pitch.
    (b) The official scorer shall charge a catcher with a passed ball when the catcher fails to hold or to control a legally pitched ball that should have been held or controlled with ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a passed ball, permitting the batter to reach first base, the official scorer shall score a strikeout and a passed ball.
     
  12. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    spnited is correct too... let us remember if it wasn't for him and Abner Doubleday, we wouldn't have this game...
     
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