Siegel's takedown of Boston Sports media

LongTimeListener · Feb 1, 2013

Songbird said:

Radio guy was masterful with his line of questioning. I tried to envision Siegel on the other end of the line, sitting at a table thinking he was going to coast through a laudatory interview of sorts, without any notes to fall back on. And then the hammer drops time and again and he's shellshocked beyond the point of remembering anything he wrote. I'd love to know the thoughts that swirled through Siegel's mind for the first hour after that interview.
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Alan Siegel says "True" so much in that interview, his nickname should be Spandau Ballet.

JimmyHoward33 · Feb 1, 2013

boundforboston said:

JimmyHoward33 said:

boundforboston said:

Michael_ Gee said:

A national writer is concerned about his relationships with his or her sources, not the institutions for whom those sources work. The beat writer has to consider the institution as well as individual sources. For instance, if Passan's main source was Gonzalez, and I'll bet it was, why should he give a fig what the Red Sox think. His source is safely ensconced in the Dodgers clubhouse.
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The national writer also has to consider the institution (Red Sox). There's trade talk, signings, in-depth access for future stories, etc. It's not like you can just avoid covering the Red Sox if you're Jeff Passan.
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Not really a matter of avoiding covering them, but the national writer doesn't need to be in the building every day and can't realistically be hurt, access-wise, by the institution the way a local guy can be.
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So Passan will continue to be floated trade rumors, signings info, etc., but Peter Abraham won't if they report the same story?
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Think of percentage.....the national guy has info coming in potentially from 10 markets so if one ices over for a while he still has nine others. Or more. The local guy loses a considerably higher percentage of his sources.

JayFarrar · Feb 1, 2013

Holy cats, I paused some most excellent Pandora mix — Whiskeytown — and am listening to this now.

And this is brutal. "How'd you re-invent the wheel in 80 minutes."
I don't know. ... Who cares what old people like anymore? ... Gamers are a waste
"What would you replace them with?"
I don't know. ... Perhaps, I wasn't clear.

Yeah, no shit.

boundforboston · Feb 1, 2013

JimmyHoward33 said:

boundforboston said:

JimmyHoward33 said:

boundforboston said:

Michael_ Gee said:

A national writer is concerned about his relationships with his or her sources, not the institutions for whom those sources work. The beat writer has to consider the institution as well as individual sources. For instance, if Passan's main source was Gonzalez, and I'll bet it was, why should he give a fig what the Red Sox think. His source is safely ensconced in the Dodgers clubhouse.
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The national writer also has to consider the institution (Red Sox). There's trade talk, signings, in-depth access for future stories, etc. It's not like you can just avoid covering the Red Sox if you're Jeff Passan.
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Not really a matter of avoiding covering them, but the national writer doesn't need to be in the building every day and can't realistically be hurt, access-wise, by the institution the way a local guy can be.
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So Passan will continue to be floated trade rumors, signings info, etc., but Peter Abraham won't if they report the same story?
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Think of percentage.....the national guy has info coming in potentially from 10 markets so if one ices over for a while he still has nine others. Or more. The local guy loses a considerably higher percentage of his sources.
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I don't know if you've heard, but the Red Sox are a pretty big deal nationally.

dooley_womack1 · Feb 1, 2013

JayFarrar said:

Holy cats, I paused some most excellent Pandora mix — Whiskeytown — and am listening to this now.

And this is brutal. "How'd you re-invent the wheel in 80 minutes."
I don't know. ... Who cares what old people like anymore? ... Gamers are a waste
"What would you replace them with?"
I don't know. ... Perhaps, I wasn't clear.

Yeah, no shit.
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God, what an asshole.

pseudo · Feb 2, 2013

boundforboston said:

JimmyHoward33 said:

boundforboston said:

JimmyHoward33 said:

boundforboston said:

Michael_ Gee said:

A national writer is concerned about his relationships with his or her sources, not the institutions for whom those sources work. The beat writer has to consider the institution as well as individual sources. For instance, if Passan's main source was Gonzalez, and I'll bet it was, why should he give a fig what the Red Sox think. His source is safely ensconced in the Dodgers clubhouse.
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The national writer also has to consider the institution (Red Sox). There's trade talk, signings, in-depth access for future stories, etc. It's not like you can just avoid covering the Red Sox if you're Jeff Passan.
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Not really a matter of avoiding covering them, but the national writer doesn't need to be in the building every day and can't realistically be hurt, access-wise, by the institution the way a local guy can be.
Click to expand...

So Passan will continue to be floated trade rumors, signings info, etc., but Peter Abraham won't if they report the same story?
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Think of percentage.....the national guy has info coming in potentially from 10 markets so if one ices over for a while he still has nine others. Or more. The local guy loses a considerably higher percentage of his sources.
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I don't know if you've heard, but the Red Sox are a pretty big deal nationally.
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Really?

/everyone outside Bahstahn

Alma · Feb 2, 2013

Screwball said:

The writer makes an appearance on Boston radio and gets absolutely crushed. By the end of it, he appears entirely clueless about how sports media works ...

http://audio.weei.com/device/mobile/a/70319127/20-minutes-of-silence-with-kirk-minihane-alan-siegel-defends-his-boston-magazine-column.htm
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That didn't go too well, did it?

If Siegel really just wanted to take down Shaughnessy, he should have done that.

JPsT · Feb 2, 2013

wicked said:

It was a podcast, actually, but WEEI ran a fair bit of it on-air. Siegel was pounded by Kirk Minihane.
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I think it's clear who came out looking more professional, but what a horrible way to integrate podcasts into the site. Isn't audio WEEI's business? You'd think it'd look a little more polished.

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