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Shafer: Buyouts R good, old folks gotta go

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Joe Williams, Apr 8, 2008.

  1. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    Have to admit, I knew none of this backstory stuff on Shafer. Any quick, easy way to find it -- or should I just Google at will?
     
  2. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    The problem is, the oldest guys are not the ones getting forced out.

    The old guys threaten an age-discrimination lawsuit and no one bothers them... I know of at least three cases at big papers where they desperately wanted older reporters/editors to take buyouts, but didn't force them because of the threat of a lawsuit.

    The result was they had to lay off someone else.

    About half the people taking buyouts are scared into doing it. That's not the case with most of the big names we hear about on this board, the ones who are at ESPN before their buyout checks are even cashed, but it's the ones who won't have as many options when they're cut loose.
     
  3. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I'm with Mizzou. I hate it when old farts don't take voluntary buyouts.

    Greedy rat bastards!

    You can always get work as a Wal-Mart greeter! I don't look good in khakis, dammit.
     
  4. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    At places I've been, management always found a way to target one or two oldsters and reassign them into some lousy duty as a way of pushing them out the door. Bosses turned their jobs into something they never would have applied for and were qualified way beyond, but the choice became: Eat (dirt) daily or leave now with severance. Lawyers have almost no way of bucking a reassignment.
     
  5. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    By no means am I saying that all of the old people should be let go so they can be Wal-Mart greeters or spray kids with water whenever they get too close to their lawns...

    But in the cases I'm talking about, the papers in question desperately wanted a specific older writer to take a buyout and when they didn't, they had to layoff another employee instead.

    I don't blame the old guys. If we all had a card we could play to help our job security, we'd be crazy not to take advantage of it.
     
  6. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    What I'm saying is, the managers must stink at that place because they couldn't creatively make the guy feel miserable enough about his daily grind that he would prefer to leave. They just took aim at a different staffer? Doesn't show much tenacity or drive to me -- they should have been the ones out the door!

    If bosses want to get you out, they can get you out, unless you decide you're going to cling to every last legal protection no matter how shitty they make your day-to-day role. Saw a veteran guy who had covered major beats and national events stuck on small-college coverage . . . just long enough for him to start liking it. As soon as bosses got wind he was enjoying his gig, they jerked that out from under him too. Became a preps guy/G.A., until he took early retirement.
     
  7. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    If a paper "desperately" wants some old fart to retire, then they should make an offer the old fart can't refuse instead of making some cheapo offer, wringing their hands and jingling their change.
     
  8. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    NY Times doling out $300K to Greenhouse, 61, to leave her Supreme Court beat.

    Jack Shafer thinks that how buyouts work for everyone.
     
  9. Is this backstory on Shafer, or on this Lessenberry character?
    I'm so confused.
    I should probably be fired.
     
  10. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    That's what I'm talkin' bout.

    Here's $300 large. Make room for some young buck with mounting college debt, beyatch!
     
  11. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    Well, what's really bizarre is if you want to know how old Jack Shafer is, it's going to take some looking. Finally found it. He was born in October 1951.
     
  12. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    Guess I got my Shafers and Lessenberrys confused somewhere along the line on this thread, too.

    But from what I've read, I'm glad I don't know Jacks.
     
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