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SCOTUS: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, May 17, 2010.

  1. Mark2010

    Mark2010 Active Member

    I agree. If the crime is so bad, then the jury should hand down an appropriate sentence. But none of this, "We who know better, are now overriding the sentence in the interest of public safety. Because WE know better than the jury the judge or anyone else."
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    In most states with Patients' Rights laws, the initial hold for observation by authorities is 72 hours. 'Danger to yourself or others' being the standard. Pending a pysch exam with 2 signing physicians, a judge can then remand you to care for 60 days. Thereafter, a judge needs to sign off on the involuntary commitment every 60 days (this presumes no one is appealing on behalf of the committed). Involuntary commitment isn't limitless. Even crazy people have rights.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Azrael, A person who has been committed can be hold up to 5 working days in most states before a court order is required. The range is 3 to 5 days, depending on the state. In most states it is 5 days. Civil commitments can be instituted by anyone in most states. I am not sure where that two psychiatrists thing came from. A petition is filed, the state usually sends someone to investigate, and either it is dismissed or goes to a hearing before a judge. The judge hears witnesses. I am sure psychiatrists are common witnesses when it is a mental illness hearing, but not all states (do any?) have a two psychiatrists rule. A judge can rule based on any evidence presented. And your 60 days may be right for a particular state you looked at, but every state has different parameters, some as much as 180 days before a new hearing is required. Of course, people who the state is trying to civilly commit have rights and can be represented by counsel. But you really can be committed limitlessly if a judge signs off on it. I didn't say they don't have hearings. But as long as a judge keeps signing off on it, it can -- and does -- happen.
     
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/patientrights/inpatient_rts.htm
     
  5. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    Your logic -- and the underlying logic of the general sex-offender hysteria -- also assumes all sex offenders target children, which is simply not correct. I'll concede, however, that it is likely that the majority to whom these rules would apply would be those who target children.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That doesn't deal mainly with civil commitments. Read through it, though. Apparently in New York, you can be kept for up to 15 days involuntarily under certain circumstances before you get a hearing. Your two psychiatrists thing apparently is for a medical certification hearing. But they list two other certificates that can get someone involuntarily committed, including an emergency admission -- how people are often committed, because the cops think they are dangerous. If you find yourself in that situation, a psychiatrist has to examine you within 48 hours, and if that psychiatrist confirms that you are dangerous, they can keep you for 15 days involuntarily, before you have the right to go through the whole hearing process. By the way, in New York, a patient who has been involuntarily committed (say by relatives), can request a hearing at any time during the first 60 days. But there is no automatic hearing.

    But ere is a summary for Oregon, for example, were they can commit you for up to 180 days before a new hearing is required if the patient challenges his or her commitment.

    http://www.oregoncounseling.org/LawsRights/CivilCommit.htm

    More relevant to this thread, here is a web page outlining how sexual predators in Washington state can be detained civilly beyond their prison sentence:

    http://www.doc.wa.gov/community/sexoffenders/civilcommitment.asp

    Their commitment is only subject to an annual review.

    As you said, of course, in all of these types of proceedings people who are being held involuntarily have the right to hearings and legal representation. But my point originally (in response to a post by Smash Williams) was simply that every state has laws that allow civil commitments.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    http://www.cchrflorida.org/abuse-florida-involuntary-commitment.html

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2000/rpt/olr/htm/2000-r-0309.htm

    http://www.state.me.us/dhhs/mh/rights-legal/involuntary/faq/home.html

    http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/wa-mental-health-system-involuntary-commitment
     
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