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Scott Brown Saves the Union

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Jan 19, 2010.

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  1. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    I'm not sure the problem is Democrats or Republicans than it is a lot of people scared shitless because they have no job and no prospect for one in an economy that is changing rapidly, and I don't mean just the overall up or down trends. If Republicans are already celebrating Brown like it means a return to power, then they've already, dangerously, forgotten about that New York House race where the teabagger lost to the Democrat in a Republican district. Things are just too volatile to say things will go one way or the other.

    However, there are so many politicians who blew sure leads by being arrogant and tone-deaf that you would think Coakley and the Democratic party might have learned those lessons. I remember going back to my hometown of Indianapolis the last mayoral elections, when incumbent Democrat Bart Peterson got the idea he would win in a walk because he was running against some no-name ex-Marine who the establishment Republican party didn't even support (this is pre-teabag. The issue was him being a no-name.) Yet wherever I drove, there were angry signs up -- something like "We've Had Enough! Vote Ballard." Peterson was running as a major property-tax reassessment saw a lot of people's taxes triple, or more, at the same time he was instituting a county income tax. By the time Peterson saw the pocketbook rebellion coming, it was too late.

    On the other hand, let's not forget the lesson of electing a charismatic unknown out of spite. You know the people of Springfield learned their lesson from the debacle that was Homer Simpson as garbage commissioner.
     
  2. finishthehat

    finishthehat Active Member

    59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

    Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.
     
  3. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    I'll be shocked if House just passes Senate version of bill. Just too many differences. Reconciled bill would require new Senate vote.
     
  4. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

    The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.
     
  5. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    The Democrats had the same goal during the Bush years.

    I don't know why anyone is shocked when a politician on either side breaks ranks and votes in a way that will benefit him/her over their party. Happens all the time. The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.
     
  6. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    Not from day one. I mean, it was bad, but not THIS bad.
     
  7. Cousin Oliver

    Cousin Oliver New Member

    ?

    What are you talking about? The Senate -- and Reid -- already passed its version of the health care bill. It was in all the papers.
     
  8. Cousin Oliver

    Cousin Oliver New Member

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/pelosi-isnt-panicking-her-party-should-listen

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is having none of it: "Let's remove all doubt, we will have health care -- one way or another," she told reporters on Monday.
     
  9. fishhack2009

    fishhack2009 Active Member

    The difference here is that some Dems actually were able to put aside political differences and vote for something they thought was in the best interest of the country.

    The GNOP has no agenda besides obstructionism. That might fly in one special election where nobody but activists on both sides gets too involved. But this fall, it's going to take more than "Stop the MOOSLIM Socialist!" to win votes.

    And come on, dude. The "King Barack" stuff is just stupid.
     
  10. Ashy Larry

    Ashy Larry Active Member

    I think the scare tactics didn't work......Coakley tried and looks like she'll fail.
     
  11. Ashy Larry

    Ashy Larry Active Member

    The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?
     
  12. Cousin Oliver

    Cousin Oliver New Member

    So if the majority of people -- according to polls -- are against something, despite what the majority party and president are pushing, we should abandon it?

    Hmmm. What a fascinating idea.
     
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