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Scoop Jackson vs. Whitlock (round 6)

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Almost_Famous, Dec 29, 2006.

  1. I decline, respectfully, to pick a side, and, no, I don't agree that all unconventional writing is prima facie "bojangling" a) when the person who invented the word declines to say what he really means, and b) because the English language never would have grown that way.
     
  2. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    I have no problem figuring out exactly what Whitlock means, and I have no problem seeing how right he is. But maybe it's a matter of perspective. Where I grew up I was the minority, and saw first hand the importance and the glorification of lifestyles and personas that Whitlock, just like Bill Cosby, rants against. It's what Scoop targets and writes about.

    Just because it isn't relevant in your white bread communities doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Rather than bitch about it from where you're sitting, just STFU up and ignore it. The fact is Whitlock is right. Just because you don't understand the argument, or it has no relevance to you, matters none to anyone who does or it has.

    But then it's just easier to rip on Whitlock since he's clowning around on here most of the time, even if most everyone else does that too.
     
  3. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Percentages, FH.

    Percentages.

    You give me the percentage of our market that understands the argument or that it has relevance to. And I doubt that the number you come up with is going to make it worthy of the amount of space or lip service it is given.
     
  4. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Define the market. Do you mean among other journalists, or society as a whole? Because I look around a lot of big ass cities, where the population centers are, and see the argument having relevance.

    I see the world wide web, which is where this argument has been confined to, full of movies people post of themselves doing stupid shit, of porn stars blowing animals, or the most ignorant and despicable thoughts and speech, or jihadist hate, and I figure that there might be a little room in some online corner of the universe for this debate.
     
  5. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    I'll agree to disagree. Obviously, you want to address it, so there is SOME market for it.
     
  6. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    bottom line, though, is, you're right. it's stupid shit run amok by a coupla self absorbed fucktards.
     
  7. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    I think it needs to be addressed more often. Certainly not where you're at. But where I am, and in lots of other places. And some day, it may well become a needed debate where you're at because we've become far too accepting of the gangsta wanna be lifestyle, and the glorification of the wrong things in life.

    TP, maybe they are blowhards, but even blowhards are right once in a while. And I'll stand behind Whitlock as long as he bangs the drum on this shit.

    Dammit, you all made me dig my soapbox out now. Let me throw it back into the laundry room now.
     
  8. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    and i respect your point FH. for me, it's valid as hell.

    have a good new year, even if you are in the laundry room.
     
  9. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    And happy new year to you. And hopefully Whitlock will resolve to make bojangling to him what the environment is to Al Gore next year.
     
  10. Jones

    Jones Active Member

    Jason, I think you do a good job, but if that's your definition of bojangling, then I think the "pimp hand" stuff falls under it, too.

    Just saying, if you're the one drawing the line, you'd better make sure you make it a hard one -- otherwise it looks a little hypocritical.

    Of course, I could just be missing the irony.
     
  11. jones, you're intelligent. this response is really disappointing.

    is there a check to be collected from me clowning around on SportsJournalists.com? or is this just a message board where i can have fun?

    like most people, i do different things based on where i'm at. you know, kind of like how i never cuss in a church, but i cuss like a sailor at the bar across the street from my house....

    this is a message board. and i choose to act like it's a message board. i write a different way for my kc star column. i have a different shtick for my internet-only (aol) column. i was different on my radio show than i was on the sports reporters. i was different hosting jim rome than i was on the sports reporters. i was different on pti than i was on rome. there are diffferent disciplines and different standards.

    let me repeat: this is a message board. do you guys read some of the threads on here? i had no problem with scoop's bojangling shtick in slam magazine. slam is a magazine for bojangling. i used to have a subscription to the source. i used to write for vibe magazine. and i wrote in a language and style that was appropriate for vibe.

    this concept is not hard to understand.

    flying headbutt, i'm glad you're here. it lets me know everyone here isn't freaking crazy.

    is there some sort of reward being offered if someone can catch me contradicting myself? trust me, i make mistakes and say dumb stuff all the time. i'm willing to admit it. richard dietsch busted me pretty good on katie hnida. put a total clown suit on me. i had no problem admitting it. it's not a big deal to catch me making a mistake. if everyone would quit trying so hard, trust me i'll slip up and someone like dietsch will tear me a new one and i'll happily acknowledge it.
     
  12. Wait a minute.
    Now we are saying that what Scoop does was appropriate for SLAM or The Source -- and I'd love to read some of Whitlock's stuff from the bojangling Vibe days -- but it is inappropriate for the august readership of ESPN.com's Page Fucking Two? And, gee, what would that difference be, do you think?
    The problem I have with Scoop is that, however he writes, and in what argot, he just doesn't do it very well. Jason's criticism is a trifle more profound, if woefully impoverished as intellectual argument, as we have just seen, tangled up as it is in the thick underbrush of a prodigious ego.
    The Jim Rome Show and The Sports Reporters?
    "Different disciplines"?
    I'm not going to stop laughing at the self-regard on that that one until well 2007.
     
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