Rudy tosses his Yankee cap in the ring

spnited · Nov 13, 2006

Trust me Pope, Rudy will implode long before 2008.
Somewhere on the campaign trail, the Giuliani temper will just erupt and he'll make a fool of himself when he gets a question he doesn't like.
He is, among other things,a condescending prick.

Guy_Incognito · Nov 13, 2006

spnited said:

Trust me Pop, Rudy will implode long before 2008.
Somewhere on the campaign trail, the Giuliani temper will just erupt and he'll make a fool of himself whe he gets a question he doesn't like.
He is, among other things,a condescending prick.
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If a temper is enough to rule you out, Romney will waltz to the nomination.

The Big Ragu · Nov 13, 2006

hockeybeat said:

Rudy's campaign slogan:

"If you liked Bush's America, just wait 'til ya see what I can do!"
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Actually, the message is going to be, "Elect a guy who REALLY knows how to fight terrorism." And I am betting you all are underestimating how much that is going to resonate.

I don't think he stands a chance. The Christian loony wing of the party won't go for him, but he has two things in his favor: 1) The perception that he was a strong leader after 9/11, and 2) The reputation of being a fiscal conservative who runs a tight ship. Argue whether those things are true, but those are the perceptions of the man.

PopeDirkBenedict · Nov 13, 2006

Columbo said:

PopeDirkBenedict said:

BYH,

That actually kind of works in Rudy's favor. The worst thing that can happen to a candidate is having a bombshell released on an unsuspecting public. We know all of Rudy's warts so the public can't be surprised. The public knows Rudy fools around. Everyone who ever read an article about him knows he once lived with gay men. We know he was good friends with Bernie Kerik. And despite all of those faults, Rudy polls surprisingly well with the GOP base.

I have a hard time seeing how someone other than Romney, McCain or Rudy gets the nomination....the GOP does not nominate out-of-nowhere candidates like Clinton in 92 or Carter in 76. GWB, Dole, GHWB, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Dewey were all front-runners when they got the nod (Goldwater less so than the others because he had to hold off Rockerfeller). The last time the GOP went beyond the obvious candidate was Wendell Wilkie in 19-fucking-40. That puts Rudy in the final three, all of whom have serious faults with the GOP base. He has a legit chance to be the nominee.
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You mean it ain't gonna be Newt!!!!!???!!!
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I hope Newt runs because he would make the primary debates very interesting. No one can deny that he is whip-smart and thinks well on his feet. He can't win the nod, but he would make the primaries fun.

Guy_Incognito · Nov 13, 2006

PopeDirkBenedict said:

Columbo said:

PopeDirkBenedict said:

BYH,

That actually kind of works in Rudy's favor. The worst thing that can happen to a candidate is having a bombshell released on an unsuspecting public. We know all of Rudy's warts so the public can't be surprised. The public knows Rudy fools around. Everyone who ever read an article about him knows he once lived with gay men. We know he was good friends with Bernie Kerik. And despite all of those faults, Rudy polls surprisingly well with the GOP base.

I have a hard time seeing how someone other than Romney, McCain or Rudy gets the nomination....the GOP does not nominate out-of-nowhere candidates like Clinton in 92 or Carter in 76. GWB, Dole, GHWB, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Dewey were all front-runners when they got the nod (Goldwater less so than the others because he had to hold off Rockerfeller). The last time the GOP went beyond the obvious candidate was Wendell Wilkie in 19-fucking-40. That puts Rudy in the final three, all of whom have serious faults with the GOP base. He has a legit chance to be the nominee.
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You mean it ain't gonna be Newt!!!!!???!!!
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I hope Newt runs because he would make the primary debates very interesting. No one can deny that he is whip-smart and thinks well on his feet. He can't win the nod, but he would make the primaries fun.
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If you take away the fact that he's virtually unelectable, he's a great candidate.

The Big Ragu · Nov 13, 2006

Romney and Guiliani have another thing in their favor, also. They both are very good speakers. A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections. And Guiliani is a very effective public speaker. It is also what is making Obama look attractive to the democrats right now.

PopeDirkBenedict · Nov 13, 2006

Guy_Incognito said:

PopeDirkBenedict said:

Columbo said:

PopeDirkBenedict said:

BYH,

That actually kind of works in Rudy's favor. The worst thing that can happen to a candidate is having a bombshell released on an unsuspecting public. We know all of Rudy's warts so the public can't be surprised. The public knows Rudy fools around. Everyone who ever read an article about him knows he once lived with gay men. We know he was good friends with Bernie Kerik. And despite all of those faults, Rudy polls surprisingly well with the GOP base.

I have a hard time seeing how someone other than Romney, McCain or Rudy gets the nomination....the GOP does not nominate out-of-nowhere candidates like Clinton in 92 or Carter in 76. GWB, Dole, GHWB, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Dewey were all front-runners when they got the nod (Goldwater less so than the others because he had to hold off Rockerfeller). The last time the GOP went beyond the obvious candidate was Wendell Wilkie in 19-fucking-40. That puts Rudy in the final three, all of whom have serious faults with the GOP base. He has a legit chance to be the nominee.
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You mean it ain't gonna be Newt!!!!!???!!!
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I hope Newt runs because he would make the primary debates very interesting. No one can deny that he is whip-smart and thinks well on his feet. He can't win the nod, but he would make the primaries fun.
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If you take away the fact that he's virtually unelectable, he's a great candidate.
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Exactly. And I think Newt knows that, but there are some issues he wants to talk about and he wants to be relevant again. If I'm one of the front-runners, facing a Newt Gingrich with nothing to lose is a very scary prospect.

Columbo · Nov 13, 2006

The Big Ragu said:

Romney and Guiliani have another thing in their favor, also. They both are very good speakers. A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections. And Guiliani is a very effective public speaker. It is also what is making Obama look attractive to the democrats right now.
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I have always found it difficult to watch Giuliani speak...and it has nothing to do with Chris Farley crawling over the lectern.

hockeybeat · Nov 13, 2006

The Big Ragu said:

Romney and Guiliani have another thing in their favor, also. They both are very good speakers. A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections. And Guiliani is a very effective public speaker. It is also what is making Obama look attractive to the democrats right now.
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Rudy's an effective public speaker, but wait until the Dems trot out the names "Abner Louima" and "Amadou Diallo." There's no way he can tap dance around that issue.

buckweaver · Nov 13, 2006

The Big Ragu said:

A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections.
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The last two presidential elections have had three of the all-time worst (four if you count Nader) public speakers in American political history.

My enduring image of Gore is still a pull-string doll with a robotic voice. Kerry was, inexplicably, worse than that. Bush ... well, don't get me started on the "nu-cu-lar" prez. My god, if you can't even talk like you had more than an eighth-grade education, you should never be elected. Ever. To anything.

BYH · Nov 13, 2006

hockeybeat said:

The Big Ragu said:

Romney and Guiliani have another thing in their favor, also. They both are very good speakers. A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections. And Guiliani is a very effective public speaker. It is also what is making Obama look attractive to the democrats right now.
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Rudy's an effective public speaker, but wait until the Dems trot out the names "Abner Louima" and "Amadou Diallo." There's no way he can tap dance around that issue.
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I think Rudy can tapdance around just about anything. Not a complement, necessarily, but to follow what Ragu says, he's the best public speaker to (potentially) run for President since Clinton.

And I wasn't even thinking of the Democrats pulling out that artillery. I was thinking of his opponents in the primary doing so...as well as exploiting his active life of infidelity.

Columbo · Nov 13, 2006

BYH said:

hockeybeat said:

The Big Ragu said:

Romney and Guiliani have another thing in their favor, also. They both are very good speakers. A guy who is good on the stump is going to be more important in 2008 than it has been in the last few presidential elections. And Guiliani is a very effective public speaker. It is also what is making Obama look attractive to the democrats right now.
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Rudy's an effective public speaker, but wait until the Dems trot out the names "Abner Louima" and "Amadou Diallo." There's no way he can tap dance around that issue.
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I think Rudy can tapdance around just about anything. Not a complement, necessarily, but to follow what Ragu says, he's the best public speaker to (potentially) run for President since Clinton.
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Jesus... he has a lisp.

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