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Roy Oswalt: Hall of Famer?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Oswalt may be hitting the downside of his career. His worst three ERAs are in the last four seasons, he's coming off an injury, his Ks per nine and Hs per nine were the worst of his career.

    He is certainly on the right path to a HOF career but it's still about five year's short.

    And to get to Schilling's numbers, Oswalt needs 57 wins, 1,107 innings and 1,357 strikeouts.

    Your asking a guy who will be 34 during next season to AVERAGE 221 IP (a total he hasn't reached since 2005) and 272 Ks (His career best is 208) for the next five years to get there.
     
  2. doodah

    doodah Guest

    Can we please stop referencing wins by a pitcher please? It's rather embarrassing.
     
  3. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    No. Baseball statistics were not discovered in 1987.

    Next ...
     
  4. doodah

    doodah Guest

    I hope that's sarcasm.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What we know now about evaluating pitcher performance doesn't just serve as a useful tool from the date of that discovery forward. It applies retroactively.

    In other news, the earth rotated around the sun before Galileo.
     
  6. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Well, then, we'll just mark you down for the Doodah School of Sabermetrics.
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Wins seem to just be shorthand for, "Pitched a long time."

    I wish we had some more well-known innings milestones to use as a gauge. I think that the pairing of innings and ERA would be quite useful for better measuring the same thing that wins measure less precisely.
     
  8. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    I'm not the biggest fan of wins as the prime indicator of pitcher worth either, but those who say it's meaningless go too far.

    Every win is different for starting pitchers. There are those you didn't have to be at your best at to get when your team scores 10-plus runs, but there are other wins the pitcher definitively earned when he hold the opposing lineup to zero.

    Too many people get caught up in the former example and ignore the latter.

    My challenge to baseball researchers ... do the research and find the ratio between the runs allowed by a pitcher in his victories and what his team scored in those victories. Same for losses. Maybe that stat exists, I don't know.

    Get to work buckweaver! :D
     
  9. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    In a career lasting at least 10 years (the Hall of Fame minimum), wins for a starter is not inconsequential, nor should it be the main standard. For relievers, especially closers, wins are a demerit.
     
  10. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Old people tend to embarrass themselves from time to time.
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    The baseball seamheads sing this song,
    Doo-da, Doo-da
    Baseball seamheads are never wrong
    Oh, de doo-da day
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Can we please stop using 'referencing' when we mean 'referring?'
     
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