RIP, Walt Bellamy

BTExpress · Nov 4, 2013

Of course, even prime Eddy Curry could've rang up huge numbers in the 1962 version of the NBA.
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Not sure what your hangup is about the 1962 season. Other than Wilt (and Bellamy), who went nuts that season?

Yeah, teams averaged 118.8 points a game. But they did pretty much the same the whole decade. By 1970 --- Kareem's rookie year and the year of the great Knicks championship team --- teams averaged 116.7 ppg.

LanceyHoward · Nov 4, 2013

What possible fiddling-around could have been going on in the NBA of 1961-62? Ball filled with helium? Coaches making a gentlemen's pact not to defend aggressively? Baseball could wind the balls tighter to get more bang off the bat, but I'm wondering what rules tweaks or interpretations were different for that one NBA season? Anything?
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When and by how much has the lane been widened by the NBA. I called up a couple of pictures of Bellamy playing for the old Baltimore Bullets and the lane appeared to narrower, like the current NCAA. I always that the lanes being widened really hurt Bellamy.

Starman · Nov 4, 2013

The lane was widened from 12 to 16 feet in 1964-65, mainly because of Wilt.

Drip · Nov 4, 2013

Starman said:

The lane was widened from 12 to 16 feet in 1964-65, mainly because of Wilt.
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That 1961-62 season was special but Bellamy had skills. Boom is right about the Knicks-Piston trade. The Knicks really wanted it to work but Red didn't know how to use both Reed and Bellamy on the court at the same time. They had similar skill sets. When the trade was made, it was controversial but Reed was younger and it made sense.

LanceyHoward · Nov 4, 2013

Bellamy should also be remembered as one of two people Jimmy Carter's brother Billy wanted to meet when Carter ran for President. The other was John Glenn. The story is that Glenn was disappointment but that Bellamy met Billy's expectations.

heyabbott · Nov 4, 2013

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

Drip said:

He was named the NBA Rookie of the Year in 1962. His 31.6 points per game average that season is second all-time for a rookie to Wilt Chamberlain's 37.6, and the 19 rebounds per game he averaged that season is third best all-time for a rookie (to Chamberlain's 27 and Bill Russell's 19.6).
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Of course, the obvious catch is that was 1962, the NBA's ultimate statistical bizarro season. It's no coincidence that his statistical production peaked as a rookie, only to steadily decline in succeeding years. Because his rookie year happened to be 62, the same year when it seems like nearly EVERY notable player from that era saw their statistical peak. All the obscene stat records from 62 should be taken with a big ole grain of salt, it's pretty clear something weird was going on that season.

I don't mean to disparage the deceased, but I'd point out that Bellamy is a classic case of a guy whose HOF resume is primarily the result of era. He put up some obscene statistical numbers his first couple years in the league because he was fortunate enough to 1) enter the League at the peak of that bizarre no defense run n gun early 60s era; and 2) be only the third big athletic African American center to enter the league after Russell and Wit. It was a quite different story for him a few years later after others had entered the League and defenses had become more sophisticated.
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After a game against Bellamy, Dwight Howard would cry at halfcourt and while sobbing like a girl scout who lost her kitten, he would retire. Guys like Bellamy, Thurmond, Lanier would so dominate today that it's sad for the current game. Bellamy would be a Hall of Famer today.
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You are stoned. Completely stoned. Possibly as stoned as any message poster has ever been stoned. Only someone who doesn't understand basketball, or is simply unfamiliar with how COMPLETELY different the game was in the early 60s from the modern era, should rationally have this opinion.

I realize Dwight Howard is an unpopular figure round these parts, but he is still physically and athletically miles beyond anything Bellamy ever was, and could've easily put up better numbers if he'd played in the 1962 NBA (and Bellamy's early numbers are really the ONLY thing supporting his HOF admission). And, yes, I've watched a couple of Bellamy's old games, I have a decent idea what his skill set was, and I must say I came away quite unimpressed. Struck me at as a guy who'd likely be no more than an Eddy Curry style backup if he played today. Of course, even prime Eddy Curry could've rang up huge numbers in the 1962 version of the NBA.
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Howard is so soft and such a pussy that guys like Bellamy would box out Howard with such force in the 1st quarter that by the 3 rd quarter Howard wouldn't go near the paint.

With the speed and ball handling of today's players many HOFers couldn't compete today, but not in the center position. Bellamy would be stud in today's game
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With the 3 point shot and the zone defenses the big man in the NBA is no longer king. Bellamy at best would
have been Bill Cartwright in his Bulls days.

In some ways Bellamy was a lot like Dwight Howard in that he never really measured up to what was expected of
him.

The best trade The Knicks ever made was Komives and Bellamy for Debusschere. It never worked with Reed and
Bellamy on the court together.
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Knick trades in that era were astounding. Bellamy for Dave DeBuss, Cazzie Russell for John Lucas, Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe.

Boom_70 · Nov 4, 2013

heyabbott said:

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

Drip said:

He was named the NBA Rookie of the Year in 1962. His 31.6 points per game average that season is second all-time for a rookie to Wilt Chamberlain's 37.6, and the 19 rebounds per game he averaged that season is third best all-time for a rookie (to Chamberlain's 27 and Bill Russell's 19.6).
Click to expand...

Of course, the obvious catch is that was 1962, the NBA's ultimate statistical bizarro season. It's no coincidence that his statistical production peaked as a rookie, only to steadily decline in succeeding years. Because his rookie year happened to be 62, the same year when it seems like nearly EVERY notable player from that era saw their statistical peak. All the obscene stat records from 62 should be taken with a big ole grain of salt, it's pretty clear something weird was going on that season.

I don't mean to disparage the deceased, but I'd point out that Bellamy is a classic case of a guy whose HOF resume is primarily the result of era. He put up some obscene statistical numbers his first couple years in the league because he was fortunate enough to 1) enter the League at the peak of that bizarre no defense run n gun early 60s era; and 2) be only the third big athletic African American center to enter the league after Russell and Wit. It was a quite different story for him a few years later after others had entered the League and defenses had become more sophisticated.
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After a game against Bellamy, Dwight Howard would cry at halfcourt and while sobbing like a girl scout who lost her kitten, he would retire. Guys like Bellamy, Thurmond, Lanier would so dominate today that it's sad for the current game. Bellamy would be a Hall of Famer today.
Click to expand...

You are stoned. Completely stoned. Possibly as stoned as any message poster has ever been stoned. Only someone who doesn't understand basketball, or is simply unfamiliar with how COMPLETELY different the game was in the early 60s from the modern era, should rationally have this opinion.

I realize Dwight Howard is an unpopular figure round these parts, but he is still physically and athletically miles beyond anything Bellamy ever was, and could've easily put up better numbers if he'd played in the 1962 NBA (and Bellamy's early numbers are really the ONLY thing supporting his HOF admission). And, yes, I've watched a couple of Bellamy's old games, I have a decent idea what his skill set was, and I must say I came away quite unimpressed. Struck me at as a guy who'd likely be no more than an Eddy Curry style backup if he played today. Of course, even prime Eddy Curry could've rang up huge numbers in the 1962 version of the NBA.
Click to expand...

Howard is so soft and such a pussy that guys like Bellamy would box out Howard with such force in the 1st quarter that by the 3 rd quarter Howard wouldn't go near the paint.

With the speed and ball handling of today's players many HOFers couldn't compete today, but not in the center position. Bellamy would be stud in today's game
Click to expand...

With the 3 point shot and the zone defenses the big man in the NBA is no longer king. Bellamy at best would
have been Bill Cartwright in his Bulls days.

In some ways Bellamy was a lot like Dwight Howard in that he never really measured up to what was expected of
him.

The best trade The Knicks ever made was Komives and Bellamy for Debusschere. It never worked with Reed and
Bellamy on the court together.
Click to expand...

Knick trades in that era were astounding. Bellamy for Dave DeBuss, Cazzie Russell for John Lucas, Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe.
Click to expand...

Jerry Lucas- not John

Riordan ended up putting up some pretty good numbers for Baltimore.

Drip · Nov 4, 2013

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

Drip said:

He was named the NBA Rookie of the Year in 1962. His 31.6 points per game average that season is second all-time for a rookie to Wilt Chamberlain's 37.6, and the 19 rebounds per game he averaged that season is third best all-time for a rookie (to Chamberlain's 27 and Bill Russell's 19.6).
Click to expand...

Of course, the obvious catch is that was 1962, the NBA's ultimate statistical bizarro season. It's no coincidence that his statistical production peaked as a rookie, only to steadily decline in succeeding years. Because his rookie year happened to be 62, the same year when it seems like nearly EVERY notable player from that era saw their statistical peak. All the obscene stat records from 62 should be taken with a big ole grain of salt, it's pretty clear something weird was going on that season.

I don't mean to disparage the deceased, but I'd point out that Bellamy is a classic case of a guy whose HOF resume is primarily the result of era. He put up some obscene statistical numbers his first couple years in the league because he was fortunate enough to 1) enter the League at the peak of that bizarre no defense run n gun early 60s era; and 2) be only the third big athletic African American center to enter the league after Russell and Wit. It was a quite different story for him a few years later after others had entered the League and defenses had become more sophisticated.
Click to expand...

After a game against Bellamy, Dwight Howard would cry at halfcourt and while sobbing like a girl scout who lost her kitten, he would retire. Guys like Bellamy, Thurmond, Lanier would so dominate today that it's sad for the current game. Bellamy would be a Hall of Famer today.
Click to expand...

You are stoned. Completely stoned. Possibly as stoned as any message poster has ever been stoned. Only someone who doesn't understand basketball, or is simply unfamiliar with how COMPLETELY different the game was in the early 60s from the modern era, should rationally have this opinion.

I realize Dwight Howard is an unpopular figure round these parts, but he is still physically and athletically miles beyond anything Bellamy ever was, and could've easily put up better numbers if he'd played in the 1962 NBA (and Bellamy's early numbers are really the ONLY thing supporting his HOF admission). And, yes, I've watched a couple of Bellamy's old games, I have a decent idea what his skill set was, and I must say I came away quite unimpressed. Struck me at as a guy who'd likely be no more than an Eddy Curry style backup if he played today. Of course, even prime Eddy Curry could've rang up huge numbers in the 1962 version of the NBA.
Click to expand...

Howard is so soft and such a pussy that guys like Bellamy would box out Howard with such force in the 1st quarter that by the 3 rd quarter Howard wouldn't go near the paint.

With the speed and ball handling of today's players many HOFers couldn't compete today, but not in the center position. Bellamy would be stud in today's game
Click to expand...

With the 3 point shot and the zone defenses the big man in the NBA is no longer king. Bellamy at best would
have been Bill Cartwright in his Bulls days.

In some ways Bellamy was a lot like Dwight Howard in that he never really measured up to what was expected of
him.

The best trade The Knicks ever made was Komives and Bellamy for Debusschere. It never worked with Reed and
Bellamy on the court together.
Click to expand...

Knick trades in that era were astounding. Bellamy for Dave DeBuss, Cazzie Russell for John Lucas, Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe.
Click to expand...

Jerry Lucas- not John

Riordan ended up putting up some pretty good numbers for Baltimore.
Click to expand...

Loved Mike Riordan. I was a big fan of Jack Marin. Dude could shoot the lights out.

da man · Nov 4, 2013

Drip said:

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Boom_70 said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

heyabbott said:

Stoney said:

Drip said:

He was named the NBA Rookie of the Year in 1962. His 31.6 points per game average that season is second all-time for a rookie to Wilt Chamberlain's 37.6, and the 19 rebounds per game he averaged that season is third best all-time for a rookie (to Chamberlain's 27 and Bill Russell's 19.6).
Click to expand...

Of course, the obvious catch is that was 1962, the NBA's ultimate statistical bizarro season. It's no coincidence that his statistical production peaked as a rookie, only to steadily decline in succeeding years. Because his rookie year happened to be 62, the same year when it seems like nearly EVERY notable player from that era saw their statistical peak. All the obscene stat records from 62 should be taken with a big ole grain of salt, it's pretty clear something weird was going on that season.

I don't mean to disparage the deceased, but I'd point out that Bellamy is a classic case of a guy whose HOF resume is primarily the result of era. He put up some obscene statistical numbers his first couple years in the league because he was fortunate enough to 1) enter the League at the peak of that bizarre no defense run n gun early 60s era; and 2) be only the third big athletic African American center to enter the league after Russell and Wit. It was a quite different story for him a few years later after others had entered the League and defenses had become more sophisticated.
Click to expand...

After a game against Bellamy, Dwight Howard would cry at halfcourt and while sobbing like a girl scout who lost her kitten, he would retire. Guys like Bellamy, Thurmond, Lanier would so dominate today that it's sad for the current game. Bellamy would be a Hall of Famer today.
Click to expand...

You are stoned. Completely stoned. Possibly as stoned as any message poster has ever been stoned. Only someone who doesn't understand basketball, or is simply unfamiliar with how COMPLETELY different the game was in the early 60s from the modern era, should rationally have this opinion.

I realize Dwight Howard is an unpopular figure round these parts, but he is still physically and athletically miles beyond anything Bellamy ever was, and could've easily put up better numbers if he'd played in the 1962 NBA (and Bellamy's early numbers are really the ONLY thing supporting his HOF admission). And, yes, I've watched a couple of Bellamy's old games, I have a decent idea what his skill set was, and I must say I came away quite unimpressed. Struck me at as a guy who'd likely be no more than an Eddy Curry style backup if he played today. Of course, even prime Eddy Curry could've rang up huge numbers in the 1962 version of the NBA.
Click to expand...

Howard is so soft and such a pussy that guys like Bellamy would box out Howard with such force in the 1st quarter that by the 3 rd quarter Howard wouldn't go near the paint.

With the speed and ball handling of today's players many HOFers couldn't compete today, but not in the center position. Bellamy would be stud in today's game
Click to expand...

With the 3 point shot and the zone defenses the big man in the NBA is no longer king. Bellamy at best would
have been Bill Cartwright in his Bulls days.

In some ways Bellamy was a lot like Dwight Howard in that he never really measured up to what was expected of
him.

The best trade The Knicks ever made was Komives and Bellamy for Debusschere. It never worked with Reed and
Bellamy on the court together.
Click to expand...

Knick trades in that era were astounding. Bellamy for Dave DeBuss, Cazzie Russell for John Lucas, Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe.
Click to expand...

Jerry Lucas- not John

Riordan ended up putting up some pretty good numbers for Baltimore.
Click to expand...

Loved Mike Riordan. I was a big fan of Jack Marin. Dude could shoot the lights out.
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Riordan was a big fan favorite in New York. A lot of people were very sad to see him go.

Of course, Monroe was a Hall of Famer. So there's that.

heyabbott · Nov 4, 2013

Boom, yeah I knew it was Jerry Lucas not John. Brain fart

Drip,
Riordan had a bar/restaurant in Annapolis for a long long time called Riordan's. Closed maybe 2 years ago. Very few people knew the basketball player owned it.

Drip · Nov 4, 2013

heyabbott said:

Boom, yeah I knew it was Jerry Lucas not John. Brain fart

Drip,
Riordan had a bar/restaurant in Annapolis for a long long time called Riordan's. Closed maybe 2 years ago. Very few people knew the basketball player owned it.
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I knew about the restaurant. Never went there or heard anything bad about it.

heyabbott · Nov 4, 2013

Drip said:

heyabbott said:

Boom, yeah I knew it was Jerry Lucas not John. Brain fart

Drip,
Riordan had a bar/restaurant in Annapolis for a long long time called Riordan's. Closed maybe 2 years ago. Very few people knew the basketball player owned it.
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I knew about the restaurant. Never went there or heard anything bad about it.
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I had gone there a couple of times. My dad went there once when Riordan was sitting at the bar. My dad went up to talk to him and Mike was so pleased someone recognized him. Very nice guy

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