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RIP Sid Hartman

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Agree.

    We had five slots on this year's modern ballot for three inductees.

    We also had three first-year, first-ballot, must-elect locks for the Hall.

    I voted for those three and put my ballot in the mail.

    It'll be easier to get in next year.
     
  2. Andy Messerupsmith

    Andy Messerupsmith New Member

    And the 5 slots on the Modern Ballot were for people who were already voted down by the writers. The Modern Ballot and the other two are a slap in the BBWAA’s face. Cronyism at its best.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    In my sport, I guarantee you none of my colleagues, not one, stopped and thought, "I'm going to keep _____ out of the Hall of Fame because it's his first year of eligibility."

    I'm not sure how to get that kind of knuckleheaded self-aggrandizement out of baseball.

    As often happens in elite institutions, a Hall vote in baseball has become a referendum on the importance of the voting body itself, rather than the player.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2020
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  4. DSzymborski

    DSzymborski Member

    In some years in the 30s 20-25% of position player plate appearances are by Hall of Famers. It's been the Hall of Pretty Good for 30 years. It's not modern players watering things down (this image was before last induction).

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  5. DSzymborski

    DSzymborski Member

    Generally speaking, the rules have been liberalized rather than tightened. The basic qualification that most chapter heads are using these days -- there's a bit of leeway either way -- is that you're covering baseball as a full-time employee of an outlet, print or online, that is accredited for baseball's big events.
     
  6. Andy Messerupsmith

    Andy Messerupsmith New Member

    I’m not sure what Plate Appearances have to do with one’s worthiness for HOF, but your point belies one of the worst arguments. Just because voters may have made poor decisions in the past we should continue making bad decisions?
     
  7. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    How many of the following do you think are Hall of Famers?

    Randy Johnson
    Pedro Martinez
    John Smoltz
    Craig Biggio
    Mike Piazza
    Jeff Bagwell
    Tim Raines
    Curt Schilling
    Roger Clemens
    Barry Bonds
    Lee Smith
    Edgar Martinez
    Alan Trammell
    Mike Mussina
    Larry Walker
    Mark McGwire
    Sammy Sosa

    Because that’s 12 guys who have been inducted into the Hall of Fame and five who haven’t...yet.

    They were together on the ballot….all of five years ago.
     
  8. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

  9. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    Threadjack back to dogs. My father, a dog lover, worried about getting a dog who would survive him. The solution. Beagles, for some reason, are the most popular test dog. So a lot wind up in shelters. A beagle will be your best friend and beagles work in smaller spaces. My parents looked through shelters for a mid aged (4-6) beagle. And beagles work in smaller spaces. It worked well. So much so that my son did the same thing when he looked for a dog.

    And my Sid Hartman reference. My grandfather moved up to a Minneapolis paper in 1945 from Billings. My mother was entering the fourth grade at the time. She died at 81 in 2018. So my grandfather and Hartman started in Minneapolis journalism the same year
     
  10. Matt1735

    Matt1735 Well-Known Member

  11. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

  12. Matt1735

    Matt1735 Well-Known Member

    I was an umpire... certified blind!
     
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