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RIP, Cal McLish and Bob Shaw

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Smasher_Sloan, Sep 27, 2010.

  1. Smasher_Sloan

    Smasher_Sloan Active Member

    Two big-time pitchers in their day:



    McLish's full name was Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar Tuskahoma McLish.

    Shaw was known as a ladies man. White Sox manager Al Lopez is alleged to have said to him, "Shaw, you must be a lousy lay. I see you with a different broad every night."


  2. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Neither was really much more than a journeyman who had a few good years. McClish was 98-98 for his 15-year career with 2 big years in Cleveland.

    Shaw played only 11 years, 108-98 record, had one good season with the Whte Sox, one good one with the Giants and one good one with the Milwaukee Braves.
  3. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    You're right. Those stats are downright Vandy-era Cutler-esque.
  4. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Shaw was a lovely 18-6 in the magical year of 1959, overshadowed
    only by Early Wynn's magnificent 22-10.

    Hated the management, and was glad to leave.

    Calvin Coolidge was a White Sox alum, as well. Sorry to see.
  5. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Shaw also had a decent year (11-10) with the '66 Mets, which was a pretty big accomplishment in those days.
  6. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    You're not kidding. That was akin to doing time.
  7. lantaur

    lantaur Well-Known Member

    Had an opportunity to talk with Bob Shaw a few months ago. Couldn't have been nicer. RIP.

    p.s. I'd say he had two good seasons with the Braves ('62 and '63); ERA in the mid-2s both seasons.
  8. Smasher_Sloan

    Smasher_Sloan Active Member

    Nobody is trying to say either one is a Hall of Famer, but if you can last 15 years as a "journeyman," you must have had some value. And playing "only" 11 years and winning 108 games isn't too bad, either.
  9. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    I guess it's all a matter of your experiences. My first thought was "two former Brewers pitching coaches."

    Shaw was considered as the guy who ruined Bill Parsons -- a huge prospect in the franchise's early years. He went 13-17 in 35 starts in 1971 and 13-13 in 30 starts in 1972 with respectable ERAs of 3.20 and 3.91. Then Shaw tried to change him and he walked 67 in 59 innings in 1973 and was not heard from again.
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