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Press association files suit over photo policy

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Inky_Wretch, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    In Illinois, the state's high school sports organization tried to limit the use of photos taken by newspapers. State press association filed suit over it.


    I know this is a growing trend. How are y'all dealing with it?
  2. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Well, I'd say that anyone who agrees to that outta have their press credential yanked.
  3. wickedwritah

    wickedwritah Guest

    We had this debate when Wisconsin did this last year.

    This is a key graf from the story: "At the same time, as a condition of receiving a media pass, newspapers are required to sign an agreement limiting their own access and the “secondary use” of photos not printed in the traditional newspaper."

    In other words, newspapers want to use 20 stories from a photog, not published in the paper, and sell them for $20 a pop.

    Do you people realize photo reprints are one of the biggest pieces of our business?

    It is one thing to sell a reprint of a photo we've used in the paper -- used in the newspaper based on news judgment and selection of an editor.

    It is another to resell these photos simply by posting them in an online photo gallery, and without expecting to pay some form of rights fee.

    The state association isn't getting money from the sale of these photos. The photog certainly ain't. It's all going into Mr. Publisher's pocket.
  4. BillyT

    BillyT Active Member

    I know at several places I have worked there has been a strict policy about not selling anything that did not appear in print.
  5. wickedwritah

    wickedwritah Guest

    Many times, done for legal reasons. But now places are throwing slideshows of 20 photos up online, then saying that since it's been used in some form of media content, it's OK to sell those photos -- slideshows that were created in the first place solely to make a buck (from photo sales and ads derived through hits).
  6. hotrobber

    hotrobber Member

    The battle is raging in Arkansas as we speak.
  7. wickedwritah

    wickedwritah Guest

    Best analogy I saw was this, and it might've been from Luggie: If a TV station sold B roll from a high school game, like we do of pics from online photo galleries, there'd be suits from the state associations left and right.
  8. KP

    KP Active Member

    State high school athletic associations, the only group hated more than us.
  9. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    Highlights cannot be used for any purpose two days following the event.

    Dear IHSA,
    We will no longer promote any of your events.
    Signed, the media.
  10. Press associations and newspapers need to fight this in court. High school associations, pro leagues, college teams -- and newspapers -- are trying to carve out space on the Internet to develop new revenue streams. Nothing wrong with that. But if a newspaper posts photos on its Web site, they are published. And no government entity can restrict that. It's prior restraint. Look up New York Times v. United States (aka Pentagon Papers) for the full explanation. And get ready to laugh when the high school associations try to wrap the football playoffs in the national security flag.

    Can a private entity, such as a pro team or pro league, restrict access? Possibly yes. They already do, because you have to have a sideline photog pass to shoot. But if they make publishing concessions a requirement, the courts might look negatively at it. Bottom line: A well-financed media organization needs to take it on in court and see if the other side blinks.
  11. Clerk Typist

    Clerk Typist Guest

    The IHSA isn't a government entity, it's a non-profit association, a private entity.
    Is their policy only for state finals, for which they issue the sideline passes, or all state playoff games, or all games, including regular season?
  12. Big Buckin' agate_monkey

    Big Buckin' agate_monkey Active Member

    The policy does not include regular season contest, but I'm not sure if it's for the entire state tournament or just the state finals.
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