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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    The Trump Administration has a bad case of the Epstein-Barr Virus and they are infecting the whole country.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That case had nothing to do with "originalism," although I am not sure what you mean by that. Nothing original about the Constitution covered Congress doing investigations of the executive branch or the Independent Counsel Act that created an era of investigations that ran amok and got even worse after that case (as Scalia predicted). Our system had nothing in place to really deal with the mess that act had created.

    Congress started to use the Independent Counsel Act to expand its powers at the expense of the executive branch, and it got more and more partisan in its use of it -- doing it in ways that seemed overtly political. The whole thing actually culminated well after that decision, when the "sides" were reversed and Ken Starr spent several years investigating Whitewater and Clinton's extramarital affairs, and suddenly the other side was on the side that Scalia had been on (funny how that happens). It was why the Independent Counsel Act wasn't renewed.

    Putting aside the Consitutional mumbo jumbo in the opinion and Scalia's dissent, which is always bullshit, Scalia was really prescient. He thought that we had saddled ourselves with an institution that was harmful. And in hindsight, he was right on. We have a separation of powers in this country. Partisan sides always try to erode, or undo, those separations when it serves their partisan goals. But criminal prosecution is not, and has never been, a power of Congress. It's just a fact of our country. And that was what was at issue. Creating a muddled mess in which Congress was given a power, but putting it under the auspices of the justice department (part of the executive branch, but which had no control over it), created this unaccountable monster. ... sort of a fourth branch of government that operated WITHOUT a check on it. And that is where partisans always do their damage.

    If the mess they had created was meant to be some sort of "cure" for something, it was a case of the cure being much worse than the disease. Regardless, it's dishonest to say that Scalia paved the way for Trump. Scalia was a lone dissent in that case. How does the guy who no one agreed with in a 7-1 decision now get blamed for something he wanted that WASN'T decided by the Supreme Court?

    Trump is a product of human frailties. We have a system of checks and balances, that has served us well. ... but that system only works when we elect people with the courage to put the integrity of the country ahead of their party or a person or their quest for power. Unfortunately, there is no system or Constitution that can force people to act with integrity.
     
  3. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    My initial reaction to him floating Hillary Clinton as a running mate is that he's more out of touch and clueless than I even realized. ... and I already thought he is the most clueless and out of touch human alive.

    But maybe they have analytics demostrating that if people could redo 2016 with the hindsight of the last 3 years, Hilary Clinton would win in a landslide. And maybe he is trying to attach himself to that?

    Also, maybe he sees that as a path to actually just getting the nomination, given the pull she has within that party.

    I personally think that is a dumb strategy. 1) When something doesn't work once, you don't double down on it. And 2) In a two-person election (what our system forces), you are not going to have to beat Trump at this point. You need to avoid beating yourself!

    Unfortunately, they can't help themselves. The perfect nominee will be a genial, bland human sponge of a person, who doesn't get too far away from milquetoast politics, and who stays away from controversy. You don't want anyone polarizing, whether it is Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. You just want someone with a pulse, who doesn't turn off a lot of people by just showing up.

    Unfortunately for them, they have a primary process that gets rid of anyone like that before they can get near the nomination.
     
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  6. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Or they float Hillary to make people happier with his actual choice. Because there’s no damn way Hillary would be game to be his VP at this point.
     
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  7. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

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  8. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  9. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    So are we not gonna' talk about the fact that this idiot is going to take a lap around Daytona in his limo?
     
  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    This is obviously the idea. Next he'll probably float Oprah as a possible VP.
     
  11. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    He's gonna look like an idiot making a lap at 70 at Daytona. I hope they boo as he takes forever to get around and off the track.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Maybe he'll tell the driver to gun it and the president limo winds up in the wall.
     
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