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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Socialism = government ownership of industry. That doesn't characterize anyone in the clown cars of the two mainstream parties. If it did, it characterizes Donald Trump's luddite rhetoric as much as any of the Democrats, in so much as he often sounds like a tin-plated fascist, which can kind of be like socialism with a capitalist veneer put over it. And even his various schemes to try to benefit one hand-picked constituent over others (to our aggregate detriment), isn't socialism, which really requires a complete government takeover of industry, not simply using government power to create winners and losers (and a lot of unintended consequences).

    These terms have gotten perverted, by the people using them. ... and by the people trying to label them with it. Most people using socialist as a perjorative have no clue what socialism really is.

    Warren and Sanders are populists to me. They create boogymen, mostly in the mold of "the rich are screwing you" (they go after a small number of citizens who are easy to scapegoat), hammer the boogeymen with rhetoric and then make promises about how they are going to go after the boogeymen to create prosperity for the masses whose votes they are trying to win. People have always fallen for this from politicians. It isn't socialism. It's maybe tyranny of the majority -- if they could have their way. The various things they advocate are anti-individual liberty. In practice, they would probably amount to rampant corruption, a la Huey Long. At the least, economically, they are prescribing economic inefficiency, crazy amounts of debt and a generalized decreased standard of living, whether the people who buy their rhetoric realize it. But they have never struck me as true ideologues. They are professional scapegoaters who will demonize whoever and whatever it takes to advance their own political ambitions, and in the case of Warren, at least, I suspect to line her own pockets in the process.
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  2. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Is there there a 3 syllable word or less for authoritarian dictatorship?
    The right wing authoritarian dictatorship slings socialism like an extra in a gladiator movie slings a sword. The center party, in essence the Democratic Party, needs a short retort because the American people are, generally, stupid.
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

  4. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, but we don't live in an authoritarian dictatorship. I don't like Trump. We don't live in a dictatorship. Why would lying to the American people be a useful strategy?
  5. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    W ... unprosecuted war criminal.
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  6. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    The funny thing is this guy believes he's a good orator.
    I've seen better speeches in the high school consortium.
    How much longer must we endure his public idiocy?
  7. champ_kind

    champ_kind Active Member

    Who's gonna tell him?
  8. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

  9. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Today's America is a bad country. Just a complete shithead.
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Out of all the shitty things that have come from Trump being president, it's things like this that make me feel saddest and most embarrassed for the country. I used to believe in American exceptionalism. Not American infalibility. But the U.S. truly having some special qualities that have allowed to it shine at times. This guy is just mean-spirited, morally repugnant, racist, etc.
  11. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    As the mountain of impeachment charges grows, "general incompetence" should be added as the final cherry on top.

    In the crack-down Amendment on presidential duties, filling executive positions promptly should be one of the lead articles.
    Thirty-day maximum on acting appointments.
    lakefront likes this.
  12. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    The cruelty is the point.
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