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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. britwrit

    britwrit Well-Known Member

    Random thoughts:

    There will be adults starting tomorrow who weren't born when this happened.

    The Times ran an article about it on the front and two more in the metro section. When does it - as all historical events inevitably do - get pushed back towards the back on anniversaries?
     
  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    No time soon. It happened in New York and Washington. The media will keep it a big deal. (As it should be if it had happened anywhere.)
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    another solemn 9/11 memorial from the commander-in-chief

     
  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Consider yourselves lucky. He could be boasting that Russia warned the US that the attack was coming.

    They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11

    Putin 'warned George Bush about terror attack days before 9/11' claims CIA agent
     
  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    The terrorists won. Trump is POTUS
     
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  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    on this day of mournful remembrance

     
  7. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

  8. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    yes but you were fine with obama playing golf on the anniversary of bowling green
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't think America lost its mind. At least to the extent that we have always had a tortured (no pun intended) relationship with civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, pretty much from the Alien and Sedition Acts all the way through to today.

    9/11 was a very traumatic event, and there was no way the emotion it brought out wasn't going to bring about something of a reactionary response. It is a human nature thing, and I think it was to be expected, even if it was wrong to a large degree. So no, I don't think we lost our minds.

    The problem, of course, is that when you give a little on civil liberties as people were willing to, there are always those who are going to try to turn the inch into a foot and the foot into a yard. 18 years later, we are still grappling with that unfortunately, whether it's the ridiculous kabuki dance any of us needs to do to get through an airport or customs, or the Orwellian Patriot Act provisions still in effect (even the ridiculous name used to sell it) that have eroded the 4th Amendment, and all kinds of other things where our liberties have really been eroded. Many of Trump's luddite attempts to hate monger under the auspices of government authority are extensions of that barn door having been opened up after 9/11.

    The reason I say America didn't lose its mind, though, is that this push pull between individual liberty and fascist-like government control (often in the name of security) isn't an entirely new thing. The fact that an authoritarian vs. individual rights thing has cropped up over and over again throughout history would suggest that there is something in our nature that makes this a particular difficult thing for people to reconcile.
     
  10. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    But McCready was in the mold of Connor Lamb
    A veteran who pledged to work with Republicans
    Bishop is a shameless party hack
     
  11. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

  12. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

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