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Practice of Oversigning Prospects,

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by dkphxf, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. dkphxf

    dkphxf Member

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5935634&categoryid=3286128

    Good story by ESPN on how the numbers game takes scholarships away from older players.
     
  2. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Yet another reason why college athletes should try to unionize.

    And why the whole argument of "But ... they get a paid education!" is a load of BS.

    Once a player signs, they should be guaranteed that scholarship for four or five years unless they either 1. Flunk out, 2. Get convicted of a crime, 3. Transfer to another school, or 4. Voluntarily quit without any undue pressure (might be tough to prove, though).
     
  3. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I've said this before, but in the letter of intent, is there anything that spells out reasons why the scholarship might not be renewed or says something like it depends on satisfactory athletic performance or that it could be revoked for any reason at all?
    How much would it hurt coaches to force them to honor the scholarships as long as the player performs well academically and stays out of trouble?
     
  4. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    The national letter of intent is just what it says it is: a letter of intent for each party to sign scholarship papers at a later date.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/About+the+NLI/
     
  5. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    All scholarships are year-to-year renewable, there is no such thing as a four-year scholarship. It has always been this way, but coaches have gotten more cutthroat about it in the last 10 years.
     
  6. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    What do the scholarship papers say about reasons for non-renewal?
     
  7. Rangers100

    Rangers100 New Member

    Where has the national CFB media been on this story? (Local CFB reporters will never challenge the powerful coaches that do this because of the serious threats it would bring to their careers... and possibly personal safety.)

    Oversigning is a disgusting practice that requires all kinds of unethical behaviors. For this reason, most schools do not engage in it to nearly the extent that the SEC West schools do.

    It is nice to see the WSJ now beginning to scratch the surface of what Nick Saban and Alabama are doing, but it is disappointing that it has taken this long for major media outlets to start investigating the SEC West's oversigning regimes. There are scores of kids who have been lied to (with a large number of them being African-American and impoverished), slandered, and had their educational careers wrecked by dishonest coaches, backed by the power of these supposed academic institutions.

    As a Southerner and SEC grad, I find it extremely embarrassing that this is still being excused by SEC schools in 2010.

    I am glad to see ESPN finally mentioning the topic. I hope they truly pursue it because there are countless more people who have stories to tell. But I wonder how seriously they will... as the SEC is the heart of ESPN's CFB money stream... and a real investigation into the oversigning machines at each of the SEC West programs could be really damaging to those programs and universities (not to mention draw the wrath of all the fans who will forever deny and excuse such behaviors).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversigning#Southeastern_Conference
    http://www.oversigning.com
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    They don't say a thing because no scholarship is ever assumed to be for more than one year. Every player gets a one-year scholarship out of high school and then he or she gets another one-year scholarship the following spring, and this continues until the four years are up or the coach decides he can find a better player. Coaches used to have enough shame that they wouldn't fill up a kid and his parents with empty promises. But shame went out the window a long time ago.
     
  9. Rangers100

    Rangers100 New Member

    Let's be clear though:

    Most coaches and schools do not engage in this. There are many respectable universities and coaches who have shown they would rather just accept the major disadvantage they are at against the schools who oversign than engage in what is required to oversign (lying to recruits, pressuring injured players to lie their way into medical hardship scholarships, pressuring players to transfer, and in the case of Alabama last year, flat out lying about "undisclosed violations" by players kicked off the team (and thus out of school) to make room for new players).

    Florida, Vanderbilt, and Georgia are especially disadvantaged as they strictly refuse to oversign... yet play in the conference where the most egregious examples of oversigning occur.
     
  10. Mark2010

    Mark2010 Active Member

    OK, so if a player does not have his scholarship renewed, he should be free to transfer without penalty. Otherwise it's a catch-22 "no scholarship for you, so you either walkon and pay your own way or you can't play anywhere else, either."
     
  11. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    But that would make sense, especially in the land of the SEC -- with Nutt and Saban, as well as players who love to transfer within the league.
     
  12. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    So does a player getting his scholarship yanked count against the Academic Progress rankings? Figure the school shouldn't get "credit" if a player loses his ride and decides to stick it out and graduate from his original school.
     
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