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Potty Training vs. Cover 2: The SJ parenting wars

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Cadet, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. Cadet

    Cadet Guest

    I am glad the autism thread was locked, but there was a sub-discussion brewing on there that I want to continue.

    We've got many posters who are raising children and many who are not. There seems to be smugness and underlying animosity across both sides of the aisle lately. Threads on education, autism, prom and layoffs have been recent examples.

    Having opinions on parenting has been likened to a coach saying "you can't cover the game if you've never played it." And in some ways, that's correct. You never know what it's like to take the hit unless you've been the quarterback.

    On the other hand, each one of us has been a child and had parents or parental figures. We all interact with parents or children on a regular basis, either through family, friends, neighbors or coworkers. You can study the Cover 2, learn how to execute it and recognize when the play was blown.

    I realize this is an age-old argument and it's unlikely anyone's opinion will change. I also know the "mommy wars" and "childfree movement" are getting decent media attention, deserved or not. But I think we need to air some dirty laundry instead of sniping at each other in threads.

  2. Angola!

    Angola! Guest

    I have ideas on parenting, I just don't share them - unless a child is being babysat in my home or is under my direct supervision.

    That said, the outlook of many parents on this site is annoying.

    It amuses me when people act as though I have no idea at all to parenting since I don't have kids. And since I don't have kids, apparently I am not allowed to comment on those threads.

  3. Pete Incaviglia

    Pete Incaviglia Active Member

    I wanna be on the record as saying I'm new to parenting, so I'll listen to what anyone and everyone has to say or suggest.

    And I'd sure as hell listen to Angola, one of my favorite posters and seemingly all-around good and helpful guy.
  4. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion on parenting. My wife and I had several opinions and philosophies on how to raise a kid before we had ours, and obviously they still play a role in how we choose to parent our child.

    At the same time, there is a big difference between philosophy and reality. The chasm is so wide that it's really easy to tell on some of these kids threads who has a kid and who doesn't, and it can be really hard to give credence to someone who obviously has no idea what they're talking about.

    That's not to say someone who doesn't have kids can't educate me on raising my child. I'm always keen to listen to doctors, nurses, teachers, au pairs and anyone else with knowledge of kids - whether they have a kid or not. There's a lot to learn. But it's safe to say that I'm a few steps ahead of most people who are thinking about having a kid or just had a kid. I was where you were, and there are people who were where I am - and I'm damn happy to listen to them.

    You don't think I did 9 months of research, and then 4 years of watching and wrestling with the right decisions for my child? I'm learning something new everyday, much more than someone who was a kid or has a nephew or some anecdotal evidence.

    The truth is most non parents haven't invested the time, research and energy in raising a child as someone who has a kid. Do we make mistakes? Obviously. All the time. This shit ain't easy. The only people who pretend it is are the ones who don't have kids.
  5. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    The happiest time of your life is before you become a parent . . . and after the kid leaves the house.

    Chew on that one, mommies and daddies.

  6. pallister

    pallister Guest

    But don't believe him when he says it's OK for toddlers to smoke Pall Malls.

    Or root for the Yankees.
  7. Cadet

    Cadet Guest

    Exhibit A of the kind of animosity I'm talking about. We can have these discussions without the "my choice is better than your choice" crap.

    Is that article worth discussion? Absolutely.

    Parents of young children, do you find this to be true? Are those of you without kids afraid this "happiness dip" could become a reality if you choose to parent?
  8. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    OR put their hand down their pants in the middle of a street.
  9. pallister

    pallister Guest

    I set 'em up, they knock 'em down.
  10. When you become a parent you will certainly sustain a happiness dip. You lose your freedom, your independence, your sleep. You worry all the time about everything.

    Yet, I feel more self-satisfied about being a parent than anything else I've ever done in my life. Being a parent is the hardest and most rewarding thing I've ever done. Obviously it's not for everyone. You give up a lot. But yes, there are tons of happy moments. They're just not always continuous.
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    That's the nut graph right there.

    If you indeed worry all the time about everything, how can you possibly be happy? Just worrying about impending job cuts has made the summer of 2008 one of the unhappiest of my life. Can't imagine adding "everything" to that worry list.

    But if you are not worrying all the time about everything . . . are you being a good parent?

    Beats me.
  12. I don't push parenthood on anyone, BTE. There's already too many lousy parents out there.

    But happiness is sort of a vague expression in these terms. I was happy when I was young and single and going to the bars with my friends. We laughed non-stop. I loved sleeping in and smoking like a mother-fucking fiend.

    Yet, my child gives me a sense of purpose I've never had, a sense of pride.

    I happily give up my happiness for her. ;)
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