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Perhaps the NRA and gun-ban opponents will kill themselves off

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Simon_Cowbell, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. andyouare?

    andyouare? Guest

    Spoken like an adult. How refreshing.
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Porn doesn't kill people. People kill people.
     
  3. Socialism, you fool.
     
  4. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    So what do you do with somebody who already owns a gun and gets hit with a restraining order, ticketed for road rage, goes thru mental health treatment, etc.?
     
  5. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    So if I get caught smoking pot -- a misdemeanor -- I can't buy a gun for a period of time?

    And what constitutes treatment for mental health issues or previous mental health issues that would rise to the level of needing a doctor's note?

    And once you get a license - do you have to continue to reapply every time you want to buy a gun?

    See that's the problem, in theory, yeah it sounds reasonable -- but in practice and once it is put into law it would be impractical, would cause years of bag log and would make it damn near impossible to purchase a gun and have a reasonable expectation of getting said gun within a reasonable time period?

    It is like mandatory sentencing laws -- in theory, they sound like a good idea (not really but obviously someone thought so) but once put into law, they made it damn near impossible for judges to use common sense when sentencing people.

    If you told me this -- you had to go through an extensive background check to get a license to purchase firearms (sort of like a passport), and you were guaranteed to get license within say 30 days of your application -- and if only those restrictions (a doctor's note, no convictions or restraining orders within six months and no felonies ever) applied -- I'd be OK with it provided, like a passport, it meant once you got the license you could buy as many guns as you want without background checks for ten years or whatever until it expires and you must reapply for it.

    That would be common sense.

    But having to apply for and go through extensive background checks for every purchase is ridiculous and having someone tell me how many guns I can buy in a given period is even more ridiculous.
     
  6. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    In many cases, AQB, if someone gets a restraining order against you, you end up in court and you are asked if you own any weapons. If you do, you might be required to surrender them for a certain amount of time. Same is sometimes applied to a misdemeanor conviction like road rage.
     
  7. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Zag, I have no problem with your passport-style permit idea.

    What do you think of waiting periods?
     
  8. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    This sort of incident is just more proof that more people need to get concealed-carry permits.

    If just one or two of the bystanders would have been armed, perhaps this tragic event could have been prevented.
     
  9. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    And getting back to the original unclear-from-the-slug topic ...<blockquote>Notes left behind by a woman who shot her son Sunday and then took her own life leave no doubt that her actions were planned in advance.

    "I'm so sorry," Marie Moore wrote in one note. "I had to send my son to heaven and myself to Hell."

    All three notes were written to "King," and that note and one other were signed "Failed Queen."

    Family members found the notes and audio tapes late Monday and turned them over to police, Casselberry deputy police Chief Bill McNeil said.

    Moore explains in the notes that she signed over the title to her truck, left the keys in it and also left behind $7,900 cash and a check.

    "I'm sorry King thats all thats left," she wrote in one note. She went on to write: "Save yourself you go to heaven with Mitch I love you forever & ever."

    Mitchell Moore died at the scene and his mother died a short time later at Florida Hospital Altamonte.

    On audio recordings left for her family, police and gun range owners, Moore apologized for what she had done, but said God commanded her to do it. She said God made her the 'Antichrist,' and that she must die to save her boyfriend, son and the world from violence, and her mother, father and brother from hell.

    "You have a gun, you can do it," she said God told her while she was in a mental hospital. "I have to die and go to hell so there can be a thousand years peace on Earth."

    Her fate made no sense to Moore.

    "I don't know how all this happened. It's not in the Bible," she adds later. "No forgiveness for me. That's not in the Bible. The Antichrist being a woman."</blockquote>http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-marie-moore-shooting-video-040709,0,199030.story
     

  10. Good god, not this again.
     
  11. StaggerLee

    StaggerLee Well-Known Member

    You could make every single gun law as strict and as tough as possible and it wouldn't change anything. Crazy people will continue to get guns. Do you think every single gangbanger from South Central LA to Little Rock walks into their local gun shop and waits the mandatory (insert waiting period here) to get their gun legally?

    For every 10 guns sold legally in a sporting goods store, there are thousands sold on the street illegally. And it won't matter how many laws are passed and how tough the courts get on felons, the black market for weapons will always be there. Hell, you could argue that the more laws passed, the more the black market gets flooded with weapons.

    It all goes back to the point that crazy people with mean streaks will get their hands on a gun, whether it's legal or not.

    For the record, I've never owned a gun (paintball excluded) in my life and never will.
     
  12. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Just wondering. Say you visit the President. Are you allowed to carry an AK-47 to meet him? Why not, since he's surrounded by guys who are packing and have permits? Wouldn't they be able to prevent a tragedy if you decided to go crazy?

    My dad was telling me that some state rep in Minnesota - unrelated to Michelle B., as far as I know - really wants college kids to all be carrying guns. My dad's comment was, "Just what you want when 200 drunk college kids are roaming the streets at 2 a.m."
     
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