Pedro Martinez: I didn't need steroids to dominate.

Pretty good analysis there. Can't remember Pedro ever leaving a game willingly, in his prime. Even now, they treat him more lightly but he still tries to go as far as his body will let him go.

 

That's a bunch of shit, HP. No one hearts Livan Hernandez.

 

But he throws a lot of pitches over a lot of innings!

 

That doesn't change the fact that his family wants him dead.

 

El Duque wants to kill him?

 

Eric Gregg sure did.

 

Did Livan give him a cheeseburger?

Or was that just Todd Benzinger?

 

No cheeseburgers. But Gregg gave him the widest strike zone in the history of mankind in the '97 NLCS.

 

Well, this means HB and Angola are both wrong.

Pedro probably hasn't been 150 pounds since he was 15 year old. Can we get past this "little" Pedro bullshit. He's listed as 5-11, 175 -- that is not little, it's average and he sure is more than 175 now. He's bigger than Ron Guidry ever was.

And Santana did not ask out of games. Gardenhire had a "rule" that once Johan hit 105 pitches, he was allowed to finish that inning but not start the next. Santana regularly bitched about Gardy taking him out too soon.

Other than that, yeah, you guys are right ... Pedro is tiny and Johan asks out of games :

 

Well, I am pretty sure I have read that Johan doesn't like to go more than 100 pitches. But if that is wrong, then it is wrong.

 

You're wrong, 'gola

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/11691976.html

http://www.daminesper.com/?p=95

http://www.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/min/y2007/m06/d18/c2034434.jsp

 

You couldn't be more wrong on the wrongingest day of your life with an electrified wronging machine.

The Twins, through Gardenhire, kept the pitch counts on Johan. He ripped that decision on the mound, in the clubhouse and in the press.

Keep in mind that the three times a team plays the Yankees in a season and get the attention of Yankee fans do not a representative sample make.